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  1. TexasGrillChef

    TexasGrillChef New Member

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    which is exactly right. Many cable companies in the next few years are moving to a "DIGITAL ONLY" System. Chicago's Comcast, & Dallas's Time Warner are two cable systems that are planning on being "DIGITAL ONLY" by as Early as Q1 2011.

    Legally speaking. CURRENTLY the only channels that we can get WITHOUT any form of COPY PROTECTION are OTA & Analog. When cable goes Digital Only. The Only channels we can get are OTA.

    UNLESS we can get the LAW CHANGED!

    How do you change laws? Write your Senators & Congressmen. If ENOUGH people DO complain to them. Then they will DO something.

    This IS an election year. Election years give us the GREATEST potential for change... This is the BEST time to complain to your Senator/Congresman.

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  2. TexasGrillChef

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    This is very possible from a known encoding process called "MACROVISION" which is used on VHS Video Tapes to prevent copying. This encoding/Decoding is built into to all "newer" VCR's as well as DVD recorders/players. The idea behind this was to prevent copying certain VHS tapes to VHS tapes/DVD. As well as the SAME mechanism used to prevent copying DVD's from one DVD player to a Stand alone DVD recorder. Even through composite or S-Video Cable.

    Macrovision encoding can be done from TV stations such as HBO as well &/or the cable company thus preventing one from copying the show as well. Not many have used this. But in your case it sounds like it COULD be a POSSIBILITY. Who knows for sure. Obviously something is being used.

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  3. TexasGrillChef

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    Your lucky! VERY Lucky! Sad to say it won't last long though. So make good use of it while you can!

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    I WONDER if some people REALIZE how little impact bolding and CAPS HAVE when they're OVERUSED... ;)
     
  5. TexasGrillChef

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    When you look at your TiVo Desktop for Knight Rider does it have the Circle of Death? You know the Red Circle with line through it? Or does it just not transfer? Sounds like something else is going on there.

    I was able to transfer Knight Rider as well as the Super Bowl off my S3/HD units.

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  6. Dancar

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    Why would the law treat OTA differently than cable? Is it because the law was written before cable existed? Doubtful, because to my recollection VCRs and non-OTA cable networks emerged around the same time (using cable to bring OTA stations to areas blocked from OTA signals has been around almost as long as TV - CATV used to stand for "Community Antenna TV".)

    And why the distinction between digital and analog? SciFi analog and SciFiHD are the same content. Why does the law say they deserve different levels of protection?
     
  7. ah30k

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    I think there is one fundamental legal issue that many people miss. The courts have not ruled that people have a 'right' to copy for personal use. They only ruled that they cannot be sued for it. Big difference. I am no lawyer but I believe the actual terminology is that personal use is a defense, not a right.

    What this means to people in reality is that if they copy for personal use they can't be held liable but providers can deny copying if they want/can.

    Again, please take my views with a grain of salt since I am out of my element here.
     
  8. Dancar

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    I believe you are correct. In a landmark case, Sony v. Universal City Studios the Suprime Court ruled that recording TV shows for the purpose of "Time Shifting" qualifies as "fair use." But as I read the article, there is nothing against content providers making it difficult or impossible to make such recordings.

    So why would copy protection of analog or OTA be prohibited?
     
  9. JWThiers

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    4 letters D.C.M.A.
     
  10. TexasGrillChef

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    No... it is because of an old law... that is still in effect. Anything available over the "AIRWAVES" is free to record. Is the basic concept of that law. Which our congress has deemed to still be valid. Sat signals are exempt.

    Cable is a "Closed" system. Thust only available to people who have access to that system. This applies to Private cable systems as well as Public pay systems.

    OTA is considered an OPEN system. Anyone can access it with the proper equipement.

    This basic difference is also the MAIN reason why "Censors" follow DIFFERENT guildlines on what can be shown on cable, & what can be shown on OTA.

    If you notice. HBO, Showtime, ESPN, & other cable only channels can show nudity, violance, language, etc.. that OTA channels aren't allowed too.

    As far as the distinction between Digital & Analog goes. It's more a feasability and cost more than any legal means. Much easier to Copy protect a digital signal than an analog one. However.... because of the technical feasability. You have OLD Analog cable ready TV sets that still hook up to analog cable with no "Box". Enabling Copy protection on analog signals would mean "ISSUES" with older analog cable ready TV's, VCR's and DVD recorders.

    Also keep in mind. That not all laws in this wonderful country of ours makes any logical sense.

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  11. TexasGrillChef

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    Because we were lucky enough to have a decent Congress/Senate who actually passed a bill into law that specifically states that they may NOT copy protect analog or OTA signals.

    I can go back to the lawyer I contacted to find the exact law if you wish. Although I think he might actually charge me for that this time! LOL But he did say that a law was passed preventing copy protection from being used ONLY on ANALOG or OTA signals.

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