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  1. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Crap! I just checked my TiVoHD box connected to Comcast. Out of 24 recordings, 21 are restricted. And these programs are mainly from Sci-Fi HD, HBO and History HD.(Although I see my two recordings of HD movies on USAHD aren't restricted) This is much more restrictive than when I had Comcast last year. I wonder how long FIOS will keep their content unrestricted? FIOS needs to hurry up and add more HD channels.

    Well so much for my plan of transferring Ax men and BSG to permanent storage and to my Zune player.
     
  2. JWThiers

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    Sure Care to run the wire to my home. I've wanted it since it first came out. And that was just for the internet.
     
  3. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    and plus only has a one time fee to pay for the codec license for mpeg. Something the open source options out there err, ummm "forget" to pay for.
     
  4. MickeS

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    Maybe the reason FiOS doesn't restrict copying is that they have technicians who actually know what they're doing? It's not like cable companies are required to set these restrictions for the channels mentioned here, they just seem to do it willy nilly anyway. I'm guessing they mostly do it out of cluelessness (like everything else cable seems to do...).
     
  5. JWThiers

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    Not one to normally standup for the A$$h01e Cable companies, but From a liability point of view I can kind of understand it (I don't agree, but understand). It would only take one lawsuit from a major Copyright Holder (Disney, HBO Paramount, Sony,...) and they could be in a real hurt locker. So they err on the side of caution. Like I said I don't agree, but can understand their point of view.
     
  6. wildtexaschef

    wildtexaschef New Member

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    Just ask.

    Most new shows on Sci-Fi are starting if they aren't allready to have the copy flag enabled.

    wtc
     
  7. wildtexaschef

    wildtexaschef New Member

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    What software is out there that lets you copy TO AND FROM the Tivo?

    I have pyTiVo as well, as far as I can tell it allows me to transfer TO my Tivo but NOT FROM?

    I use BOTH pyTiVo and TiVo Desktop plus. Each do something that the other doesn't. Neither is perfect.

    TGC
     
  8. MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

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    Galleon lets you transfer FROM the TiVo. I haven't used it in a while, but it had an interface similar to TD.

    Also, you can of course just use your regular webbrowser, but that doesn't let you automate anything.
     
  9. TexasGrillChef

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    Here is what I found in regards to SHOWS &/or Channels being copy protected with the flag.

    Seems every cable system is different.

    Example. One person here claimed that Discovery HD was being copy protected. In my area it isn't and I can MRV/Copy anything from Discovery HD.

    On the other hand. In my area... HBO (All channels) have 100% copy protection on every single show on every single HBO channel. Others here have claimed that some of their HBO shows aren't or weren't copy protected. According to HBO. All shows on all channels SHOULD be copy protected.

    Seems other channels are the same way. Some that are "protected" in one area AREN'T in another area.

    Obviously NO consistantcy across our great nation.

    After a little research here is what I have found.

    ALOT depends on the "CONTRACT" between the Channel and the cable provider.

    Example... HBO which is owned by Time Warner has an internal contract to copy protect their channel. There are a "FEW" cable companies that don't have the specific clause in their OLD contracts yet & as a result those cable companies may or may not put the copy flag on HBO.

    Other channels such as SCI-Fi, BBCA, etc... are similar as well.

    Now it is TRUE, that some cable company employees/management don't fully comprehend the copy protection flag & DON'T have it properly set on their end either.

    Legally speaking, from what I learned after contacting a lawyer in this field. The only channels a cable company may NOT enable the copy flag on, are Broadcast channels that are available OTA, & any analog channels. ALL other channels are FAIR GAME for the copy protection flag.

    IF we TRULY wish to change this. We MUST write our Congressmen, Senators. Writing the FCC on this issue WON'T solve the problem

    As more and more "Cable Only" channels realize the what copy flag can do for them. The more they will enable it. We NEED to show the cable industry, that enableing the flag will HURT their Buisness model.

    I have DROPPED HBO, SHOWTIME and a few of the other premium channels. I then sent a letter/email to Time Warner Cable, HBO, Showtime telling them that I canceled those channels because of their policy on the "Copy Protection" flag. Any shows that I do want to watch, I will obtain via bootleg means &/or rental of DVD.

    What I am trying to say, is that Cable companies AREN'T the only ones to blame. The problem is only going to get worse not better. We need to change the laws if we want things to get better. The only way push for the laws to change is to write you senators &/or congressmen.

    TGC
     
  10. Dancar

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    BTW, a set-top DVD Recorder isn't necessarily a solution. Our Sony DVD recorder would not record HBO copy-protected shows, even when played through a Series I TiVo and composite connection.

    Complaining about not being able to copy copy-protected shows is a bit like complaining that reatail stores don't let you walk out of the door with whatever you'd like for free. HBO and film studios prefer that anyone who wants to own permanent copies of their content buy their DVDs. And that is their right.

    If you have found a way around the copy-protection, then fine. But don't complain about the hoops you have to jump through.
     
  11. wmcbrine

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    Actually, the newest versions do. But anyway, I've just been using the web interface that's built into the TiVo. No extra software needed, just a web browser.
     
  12. dig_duggler

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    Thanks TGC. That's the kind of info I was looking for.

    What I've gathered : It seems you can complain, and it might get you the channels (assuming you know the right person to complain to and they are either sufficiently clueless/sufficiently nice/have a lenient policy in place) but there's nothing that assures us we should get them (except for OTA and analog).

    It did seem on the surface that all digital channels (which is slowly come to mean every channel) could reasonably be protected.
     
  13. aaronwt

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    I would think it's the opposite. Nothing is restricted on FIOS which definitely isn't correct. Not that I'm complaining about it. It definitely makes it easier to move things around for viewing on my different devices without any restriction.
     
  14. aaronwt

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    DId you disconnect the HDMI cable? Around here with the Comcast restriction, as long as the HDMI cable isn't attached, I can record the restricted programs to a DVD. So I have a manual HDMI switch box going to the TV. One HDMI input is from the TiVo, and the other HDMI input has no connection. If I want to record something onto DVD, which is very rare, I just push the button to the empty HDMI input, severing the HDMI connection between the TiVo and the TV, and I can record to DVD without any problems. But if that HDMI cable from the TiVo to the TV has a connection, the DVD recorder will not let me record anything from a restricted program.
     
  15. vstone

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    3 of the 4 'John Adams' episodes that have recorded ar copy protected (Comcast SW VA).
     
  16. Dancar

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    That is fascinating.

    In my example, I was using a Series I TiVo I bought in 2001. No HDMI because that didn't exist when I bought the hardware. The Sony DVD Recorder was enforcing the copy-protection, which must have been encoded into file recorded on the Series I TiVo and transmitted through the composite connection. We had burned DVDs of other shows recorded from the networks and cable. But when we tried to record DVDs from TiVo of shows recorded from HBO, the DVD player gave us the copy-protection message.

    Apparently HD and S3 TiVos interact somehow with the TV via HDMI to determine copy protection, and without the TV the recording is not protected.

    My question is, how is your DVD recorder connected? How does TiVo know the DVD recorder was trying to record, and/or how did the DVD recorder know it wasn't supposed to record? It sounds like the TiVo, TV and DVD all have to conspire to prevent the recording?
     
  17. aaronwt

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    The DVD recorder is only connected with Svideo and stereo RCA cables. I guess the TiVo sends out a macrovision(?) signal. I just know different DVD recorders react different ways to this. I've had several DVD recorders over the last 5 years. Some wouldn't record at all, some put a huge message over the screen and still record, some put a big blue screen over ervything and then still records. All doing something to make the recording unusable. Although the best way is not to force the device not record it at all so you don't waste time with a recording that can't be viewed.
     
  18. EVizzle

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    I have had zero flagged recordings on my S3. The only thing that has copyright protection on it is my CNET Tivocast. Pretty funny actually.

    I use TivoDesktop daily and love it. I store a lot of HD stuff on an external, like Jurassic Park 3 (waiting for 1 and 2 to show up in HD) and have used desktop plus to put stuff on my ipod(s). Never a problem.
     
  19. HTH

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    I have an exception to that. The recent Knight Rider TV movie won't transfer from my Series3. It isn't flagged as non-transferable. It's just that every time I try to transfer it, it aborts the transfer within seconds. I have both broadcast showings sitting on my TiVo and neither one will transfer to my Mac. I've successfully pulled other shows, including the Super Bowl.
     
  20. ilh

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    I'm experiencing this same failure to transfer with a PBS program that is unprotected. It aborts after transfering only 7 seconds of the program. Everything else transfers fine.
     

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