damned freeview updates :(

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by threadkiller, Sep 2, 2007.

  1. Sep 2, 2007 #1 of 23
    threadkiller

    threadkiller Dark side Nrth Devon

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    why do they do updates in the middle of your favorite programme :( I've got a Thomson 1000 freeview box, and for the 2nd time this month its updated.

    All you get is a huge box in the middle of the screen, asking if you want to update now or later, a lot of good, when your recoding or in bed. This time it was right through the final episode of the shield on Friday AAARGH why can these damn boxes just update themselves with no intrusions :mad:
     
  2. Sep 3, 2007 #2 of 23
    Pete77

    Pete77 New Member

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    Get a Wharfedale 832BN Freeview box or Sky Pay Once Watch Forever to overcome this problem.
     
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    TCM2007 New Member

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    Or a second hand box so old that updates are never transmitted!
     
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    AMc Active Member

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    The Wharfdale has a menu option to stop it changing channel to look for EPG and software updates. Some people have reported problems with short sound drop outs which I have once in a while but I'm unclear if its my shockingly weak signal or the box misbehaving.
     
  5. Sep 3, 2007 #5 of 23
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    Thought the Thomson could have the autoupdate switched off? I have the Thomson 1002 and I have done it with this one. I just do a manual update as needed when Tivo is not recording.
     
  6. Sep 3, 2007 #6 of 23
    Pete77

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    Only snag with this is in you are on holiday for three weeks and Freeview renumber the channels. Your Tivo box then updates to the new channel numbers but your Freeview box does not. Result = missed recordings.

    The option of a box that does auto update on channels and software but then returns to normal viewing mode as per a Sky box would be better.

    In fact so far as I know Sky boxes update channels and software in the background. However as I power my Sky box off at 5am every day I wouldn't know if a power off or a restart is required to make Sky box software or channel number changes take effect.
     
  7. Sep 3, 2007 #7 of 23
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    Alas my Grundig/Thomson doesn't (it's the GDT2000), and after the first of the recent updates that I was therefore unable to decline (it keeps nagging the absent viewer every time) the box was rendered useless with a TiVo - it switches itself off at 3am several times a week "to update its EPG" (which you can't turn off either.)

    And that's an old box, that you might have assumed would no longer get updates.
    (Frustrating, isn't it, when a box that had just the features required gets updated by something you can't prevent? I wonder if there's some way in UK law to make a claim for when something ceases to be/perform as purchased?)

    I went out and bought a Wharfdale from Argos - cheap, and it has the annoying sound drop-out problem sometimes (and I have a pretty good quality signal), but less annoying than no recording at all.
     
  8. Sep 3, 2007 #8 of 23
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    jrg New Member

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    Do you do that with an electronic timer switch? I wonder if that would be a way to resurrect use of my Grundig freeview box. But it would probably switch back on in stand-by and then still behave uselessly when receiving a channel change command.
     
  9. Sep 3, 2007 #9 of 23
    threadkiller

    threadkiller Dark side Nrth Devon

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    I'll have to check if updates can be turned off, the sky free idea is a good one, but unfortunately I cant add a twin LNB at my place :(

    As the updates aren't that often, (first time I can remember in years) I'll live have to with it, but its damned annoying.

    Now to find the final episode of the shield..
     
  10. Pete77

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    Yes.

    My Netgem BT Freeview box boots straight back up to on mode on the channel number it was last on after a power outage. Also auto software updating can be disabled and anyhow the manufacturer no longer updates the software. So this is a good box to get on Ebay.

    Also my old OnDigital box came back in to Standby mode after a power out but the sending of the channel change number by the next Tivo recording would turn it back on for the correct channel number for that recording.

    Most Freeview boxes let the channel number wake them up but some require the sending of the On button which the Tivo cannot do.
     
  11. mrtickle

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    It's in the background. A restart or reboot is never required. Seamless channel updates was one of the big "leaps forward" that they insisted on when they design Sky Digital. In the old analogue days Sky had to run adverts telling millions of customers to change settings manually and it was a right pain all round.
     
  12. Pete77

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    A shame that Freeview box makers don't seem to have learned this lesson and that the best can do is a 3am forced update action in the foreground that stuffs any existing recording you are making.

    Of course they could at least have had the box revert to normal telly mode afterwards but no they leave a meny on screen and seem to want to make a point of telling you how clever they are to offer to update the box.! :mad: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
     
  13. kitschcamp

    kitschcamp Tweaked and poked

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    The problem is certain customers have demanded that freeview boxes cost 5 green shield stamps and a piece of old chewing gum, so they have cut corners, and developed the software and hardware as cheaply as possible. Cheap technical solutions are rarely elegant.
     
  14. Pete77

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    But Sky+ and V+ prove that often the expensive solutions are little better. :( :mad:
     
  15. threadkiller

    threadkiller Dark side Nrth Devon

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    Just because they cost a mint, doesn't mean they're any different to cheap solutions :eek:
     
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    And if Tivo could send the ON button before a channel change, Tivo would have to know that the STB was actually off otherwise, Tivo would more than likely turn the STB off when it was actually on.

    The Thomson 1002 has what it calls a 'hotel mode' where the STB comes on out of standby showing the last channel watched when it is powered up. Ideal for Tivo and a feature sorely missing from most freeview boxes.

    I am so glad my STB didn't get the latest thomson updates. Lots of problems being reported over on digital spy.
     
  17. johala_reewi

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    That is a problem but I live with it. Don't get many holidays :(

    AFAIR the old OnDigital boxes did just that for channel changes, although a software update would force a reboot.
     
  18. Pete77

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    No I had four OnDigital boxes over three and a half years - Philips, Pace, Pioneer and Nokia - and they all had the same nasty menu mustard system and all forced you to manually Add Channels or Store Channels for new channel updates and to run Auto Update to update the software. Latterly some peripheral aspects of the software began to be updated by forced updates initiated by OnDigital in the background, although not the main box software program. However adding new channels always remained a manual process.
     
  19. digital_S

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    Technically, your TiVo will update, but it will just switch to the original channel number (and record that channel)
    It means you have to add that channel to your list of received channels, so TiVo can record the new channel!
     
  20. Pete77

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    Most changes to the Tivo EPG are changes of existing channel number and not additions to it.

    In those circumstances Tivo will handle things without any user intervention at all but the Freeview box won't unless it is one that auto channel rescans overnight.

    The user only has to manually intervene in Channels I Receive on Tivo when a new channel that he wants to record programs from is launched or to remove a channel from the list that is no longer part of the subscription package that he/she is paying for.
     

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