Daily show 6/1 - Boiling Frog Myth

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  1. Jun 2, 2009 #1 of 27
    TreborPugly

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    I just watched yesterday's Daily show, and he had Bob Woodruff on, who's promoting a special that I guess was on tonight, about a "worst case" scenario for the future of human beings in this world.

    He used the common myth about boiling a frog: If you put a frog in boiling water, it will hop out right away. If you put it in cool water, and gradually heat up the water, it won't notice until it is too late.

    Not only did Woodruff use the scenario as an example, he said "It's true!" while using the scenario. Jon just nodded and continued the conversation. Given his regularly confrontational nature for some authors, I was really hoping for him to say, "Um, no.. that's a myth, and it's well established that it's a myth."

    I had to google it and check out snopes before I posted here, but my memory is correct - this is just an urban legend. Experiments have been done, not to boil frogs, but find out how warm the water can get before they insist on jumping out. Even though they are cold blooded, they have nerves and know when it's too hot for them.

    I really hope Jon points out that he ignored a silly myth sometime later this week!
     
  2. Jun 3, 2009 #2 of 27
    wmcbrine

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    There's no way they'd do that one on Mythbusters.
     
  3. Jun 3, 2009 #3 of 27
    blogan

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    Liberal media gives free pass to liberal media! News at 11!
     
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    suresha

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    why not, it will be a fun show:p
     
  5. Jun 3, 2009 #5 of 27
    danschn

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    Actually, Jon's comment was "Why would you do that to a frog?"
     
  6. Jun 3, 2009 #6 of 27
    dcheesi

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    I never really considered whether this was literally true or not. It's so insightful about aspects of human nature that it doesn't really matter whether it applies to frogs :p
     
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    alansh

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    Same thing goes for lemmings. They don't commit mass suicide, but it's a useful metaphor.
     
  8. Jun 3, 2009 #8 of 27
    Wheens

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    Particularly to "useful idiots" like the MSM.
     
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    busyba

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    Maybe he didn't know?
     
  10. wmcbrine

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    I'd be surprised if he knew. This thread is the first time I ever heard that it was a myth. Then again... who freaking cares?

    But this thread did find me a couple of posters to add to my ignore list. :rolleyes:
     
  11. MikeAndrews

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    Being that I witnessed Bob Woodward actually make up a new version what I just saw happen with him just an hour earlier I'd rather believe the frog would reach out and slap him.

    Bottom line: Jim Belushi is right. Woodward made up his John Belushi bio out of whole cloth.

    I'm also convinced, as is his family, he made up talking to the comatose former CIA director William Casey.
     
  12. aindik

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    Jon Stewart's guest was Bob Woodruff, not Bob Woodward.
     
  13. busyba

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    Iceberg, Steinberg.... :D
     
  14. aindik

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    Jon Stewart even made the "Woodruff and Birnbaum broke the Waterfence story" joke at the top of the show.
     
  15. hefe

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    That's probably the case. I've never heard one way or the other myself, so in the same situation I probably wouldn't bother to challenge something that was intended as an analogy to illustrate a principle and wouldn't prove the principle even if it wasn't a myth anyway.
     
  16. mattack

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    I think it was World News Now where I saw them show this clip from the Daily Show (and I haven't watched the whole DS episode yet), but that was my first reaction..

    I think someone should mail in to Mythbusters for them to try out the myth!
     
  17. MikeAndrews

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    < Emily Latella >

    Oh.

    That's quite different then.


    Nevermind.

    < /Emily Latella >
     
  18. Aniketos

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    Oh my God it's a liberal conspiracy!!!
     
  19. BitbyBlit

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    What's the point of the metaphor if it isn't true? Why compare humans to frogs in boiling water if you have to make up how frogs in boiling water act in order to allow for the comparison to humans?

    If we're going to be making up scenarios, then I could just as easily say, "If you put a frog in boiling water, it will hop out right away. If you put it in cool water, and gradually heat up the water, it will adapt and be able to survive in the water no matter how hot it gets. Humans, like the frog, will adapt to whatever environmental changes happen so we don't need to worry about pollution as long as there are no drastic changes."
     
  20. secondclaw

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    Somebody tested it:
    http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/01/frog.html

    And wiki has entire history of that 'myth' ... not to say its always accurate but at least its an interesting read.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

    Metaphor does not need to relate only realistic subjects - it only needs to link subjects that have similarity (even if one of them is a debunked myth) - metaphors can be derived from shared experience or common knowledge as well. The reason it works as "A" metaphor is that this is a fairly old and established myth (though not well exposed), so if people are familiar with the Frog story they can link the two subjects. However I would agree that it does not work as THE metaphor for climate change, as it links to a subject that seem to be have traits contrary to what Bob W is trying to argue (in reality, not in the Myth).
     

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