Advertisements "Or do you think TiVo made a business decision to release the Series 3 to either cut costs, reduce development costs and time frames, or bring the Series 3 to market at a specific time they wanted to? Don't you think DIRECTV would make business decisions along those same lines? Of course they would." Absolutely I agree that both products were developed for business reasons. I believe the Series 3 was released without certain features in order to be certified by CableLabs. CabelLabs would not let them include a feature set that I am sure is popular on other Tivos, but which the cable industry sees as too much competition for them so they refused to let them be included, just as D* did with the DTivos. DirecTV was forced to come out with the HR20 - they through out Tivo, had a terrible experience with the NDS box, and decided to build their own. We don't know if they were planning on an NDS HD box. My guess is they were. So, that meant from the beginning that they probably were under a time crunch. For that reason alone, quality is going to suffer and it's evident in the final results. Of course the hardware issues have probably settled down a lot, and many of the software issues have been fixed, but that still doesn't overcome design decisions such as recording from a search that will take a long time to fix. And of course, just like the DTivos, there is a feature list lacking in the new box that DirecTV needs to address. I believe the evidence shows that the DirecTV plus dvr's are just another run-of-the-mill generic box. We've seen this kind of thing from DirecTV for years - like their promise of a whole feature set of items for the NDS box that never materialized. I believe if DirecTV and Tivo had had an open relationship, we would have prospered more. It looks like to me that both companies made huge mistakes. We'll never know because we weren't there, but the fact remains that this is a Tivo forum and the majority of us want a Tivo replacement. The rest, we'll gladly send to the other forum. If you look at other questions here, you'll find when there is a question about something dealing with mpeg 4 or D*'s dvrs, we gladly point out the other forum. What I and others don't like is the misleading statements that are made and the crusade by the zealots.