custom rroms

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by myklbear, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    I can download any show from any channel in any country in the world, usually about 3-5 minutes after the show has finished airing, if not before it even airs.

    Keeping me from having my recorded show on both my TiVo and iPad at the same time is just silliness.
     
  2. Bigg

    Bigg Cord Cutter

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    Exactly my point.
     
  3. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    I don't disagree at all as to the often unwarranted hassles and complications put into place by the content providers and technology, nor as to how easily content often can be obtained. But as to the latter point, many people just wouldn't go that route, as mentioned above, and the DRM speed bumps serve their purpose, if even only to a small degree, in that regard. Now, a different matter as to whether the frustration and upset it all causes is outweighed.
     
  4. Bigg

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    The DRM doesn't serve its purpose, as the people who aren't going to get around DRM or torrent it aren't going to do anything else with it, and the people who can get around DRM or get it another way, will anyways. DRM is counter-productive.
     
  5. midas

    midas I heard that

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    Especially in the case of the Tivo streaming app. If I want to watch something on my phone that I've already recorded on my Tivo it should be simple. Instead, if that's what I want to do, I have to download it or get it off my Tivo and then load it on my phone.

    The new motto, I guess, to stop piracy we must force piracy.

    Makes perfect sense to me.
     
  6. bradleys

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    You are making my point for me... Most pinheads don't know what a VPN is let alone know how to set one up. DRM seems to be doing something right - it annoys you. And I am not trying to be flippant.

    DRM on a DVD / BD stopped 90% of the people from copying the disks. The other 10% payed for a ripper and made copies without a problem. What would the numbers be without DRM?

    Moving to streaming strategies makes it even harder for the average bonehead to pirate content.

    As for Pirate bay and the other torrent sites - the legal system is making their world tough! Is Pirate bay back up? It was down again the last time I looked.

    My point is - DRM does stop the casual and less technically inclined people. Your point that there will always be ways around DRM, is true but not really relevant.

    Enough roadblocks and your casual users give up pretty quickly. Enough lawsuits of 14 year olds using their parents computers and you get the scare factor in place.
     
  7. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't have said it better, bradleys. ^ +1.
     
  8. h2oskierc

    h2oskierc I'm a 2-Tuner

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    +2. I won't waste my time with trying to defeat it. No need too.

    I was a professinal photographer for many years. I take copyright seriously...
     
  9. dswallow

    dswallow Save the ModeratŠ¾r TCF Club

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    Makes me wonder if there's an approach to getting this resolved involving an ADA complaint.
     
  10. Bigg

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    Pretty much. The people in charge just don't get it.

    If DRM is annoying, then it has completely failed. The people who want to pirate will figure out how- including VPNs.

    The 90% who couldn't figure out how to use something based on DeCSS wouldn't be able to figure out how to copy the disc anyway, so in this regards, DRM is pretty useless.

    The most important part is making it available legally in a convenient and reasonably priced way. Most people don't pirate stuff that's available through Netflix, because they can just get it on Netflix, so why bother pirating it?

    Yes, various government have been harassing TPB for a while, imprisoning it's founders and operators, etc. However, it's up right now, and even when it wasn't, torrent traffic barely dropped globally, as there are a gazillion other torrent sites out there.

    The people who are going to pirate are going to pirate. The people who weren't going to pirate, aren't going to pirate. DRM can only serve to discourage legitimate buyers from enjoying the fair use of what they have bought.

    And the people who want to pirate just use VPNs. What kills piracy is legitimate access. Spotify, Slacker, and Pandora have reduced music piracy. Netflix has reduced piracy of what's available on it.
     
  11. Mikeguy

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    Sorry, but you keep on ignoring the great big group in the middle who might grab content if it was easy to do or not discouraged but DRM serves to prevent them from doing so. That's part of bradleys' point.
     
  12. Bigg

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    And do what with it? Put it on their phone or something? They already bought it, and it's not like they're going to seed it on bittorrent, everything is already out there, irregardless of the DRM.
     
  13. Mikeguy

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    Was talking the general purpose of DRM, not necessarily on a TiVo--where people don't already own the content and DRM discourages them from obtaining it without payment or other permission. This might explain the different points being made.
     
  14. slowbiscuit

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    Yeah and my bro who's totally not tech-inclined (and is in that great big group) somehow watches all the pirated content he wants with a browser on his laptop. He's always telling me about the latest movies way before the DVD/BD gets released.

    The war is over, they lost when folks like him can stream anything. They just haven't figured out how to properly monetize the new model yet.
     
  15. Mikeguy

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    And my guess is, your brother is more tech. savvy than the average consumer and is not concerned about certain issues. The road bump remains, IMHO.
     
  16. Bigg

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    That's a good point. These streaming sites, while poor quality compared to torrents, are much more accessible, and taking them down is like playing whac-a-mole.
     
  17. davidg716

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    This is now a moot point, streaming works fine to rooted devices with the new android 3.0 app :)
     
  18. midas

    midas I heard that

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    Bravo!!!
     
  19. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Absolutely 100% false. He doesn't know jack about PCs and asks me to fix simple stuff. He does however have friends that can point him to stuff he can type in.

    You really have no idea how much stuff is out there that is easy to find and stream illegally.
     
  20. Mikeguy

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    Great--but he's the type who will go to friends to get it. Others won't, with DRM speed bumps. And yes, I'm aware that content can be achieved easily enough.
     

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