Crisis on Infinite Earths (CW 2019-2020)

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  1. Azlen

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    Supergirl's whole concept changed because of the Crisis, so different in that regard but one of the base assumptions in the show was that Earth Prime was now the only Earth left and based on the end of the Crisis crossover we know that isn't the case and that was the memo that seemed to be missed.
     
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    I was going to say this. But what we know is good news for the "orphans" who like the seven Paragons were somehow kept alive outside of the universes that were destroyed. One of them or someone who was going to help them said somehow, maybe they could get back to their world, which seemed impossible.
     
  3. gschrock

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    Personally, I've tended to feel that way for the last several cross-over events they've done. I'm guessing these crossovers might appeal to the die-hard, comic book reading fans of the shows, but for the average viewer, they end up a confusing mess. And lately they've just turned into "lets see how many cameos we can get of people" into the show. Which half the audience isn't going to get anyways. And they desperately need one editor in charge of the entire event, because what ends up coming out has lately been a disjointed mess. (Saying that without having watched this years crossover yet).

    Having it across 5 of the series this time just has added to my dread of the whole thing. We don't watch supergirl or batwoman, nor do I particularly want to watch those. So I get stuck with a couple of particularly out of context shows that I don't care about for this "event". Add to that all the whining and bemoaning about the crisis that's gone on all season long on the Flash, and quite frankly part of me has been feeling "please, let's just get to the crisis and kill Barry off once and for all so we can put an end to this misery". (And yeah, I know they don't).

    (Haven't watched it yet, we just finally finished up the flash and arrow episodes leading up to it.)
     
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  4. Rob Helmerichs

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    FWIW, none of the Crisis episodes were really episodes of their putative series...it was one relatively self-contained miniseries (so separate from the regular shows that, as has been mentioned, the writers of Batwoman and especially Supergirl don't seem to understand what actually happened in Crisis).
     
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  5. TonyD79

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    Reading it now.
     
  6. JYoung

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    That was also true in many of the DC comics that followed the original publication of Crisis.
    (Power Girl readily comes to mind. And Superman was inconsistent for years.)
     
  7. kdmorse

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    I'm not entirely sure I agree with the majority of the thread here regarding how Crisis ended.

    Watching it, I was left with the distinct impression that Earth-Prime *was* the only survivor. The little montage at the end didn't really make me feel like there were a bunch of worlds that snuck through the cracks and survived - it made me feel that there *were* all these worlds, and then the Paragons came during the crisis, and collapsed everything into Earth-Prime. In which case I don't see anything wrong with how things played out in Supergirl (I did not watch Batwoman).

    I could be wrong of course, but I don't feel there was anything shown in Crisis that makes that notion wrong, and that notion was confirmed by shows that followed in that universe. Of course there could be external confirmation one way or another that I've not read.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

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    I suppose that's possible, but if so, it's a bit weird that their worlds were labelled as other worlds AFTER the Crisis was over, making it look like those were the worlds they were on...

    So that means either that the cinematic universe has been destroyed, or that it now coexists with the TV universe! :D
     
  9. kdmorse

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    I just watched Aquaman.

    Maybe that's for the best...

    (But in all seriousness, I never considered the TV and cinematic universes to share a common cannon. So in the TV universe, I consider there to be only one Earth. And then the cinematic universe has whatever it has.)
     
  10. Azlen

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    There are multiple Earth's at the end. All the CW shows are on one but other DC shows are on others.

    'Crisis on Infinite Earths' boss answers burning questions about Earth-Prime, Ezra Miller, and more

    The Crisis comic destroyed the multiverse and condensed everything into a single Earth. Here, though, you guys decided to reboot the entire multiverse. Why did you want to do that?
    Basically, I promised DC and all the powers that be that if they just let me destroy all the various different shows in hour 1, I would bring them back in hour 5. I promised that I would put all of the toys back in the toy box once we were finished. For us, the most important status quo change was, of course, combining the CW shows into a single Earth. I like to think that I’m a considerate enough showrunner that I’m not going to destroy the shows of other showrunners.

    The Legends hour establishes that the DC Universe show Stargirl takes place on Earth-2 in the new multiverse. What does that mean for all the characters who were on the old Earth-2, specifically with Earth-2 Laurel who is a major character on Arrow? How is her continued existence explained?
    Actually, that question is very directly asked by Laurel herself in the Arrow series finale. There’s actually a really, really poignant scene between her and Paul Blackthorne, who plays her dad, that explains that. Speaking to that larger question, one of the things that really excites all of us involved with the Arrowverse shows is that by rebooting the universe, we’ve given ourselves a new central mystery, which is the question: Okay, what does this new universe look like? You got a little bit of a taste of it in hour 5, and going forward we’re going to continue on all the shows to peel the layers of the onion on what that looks like. That’s really, really exciting for all of us.
     
  11. JYoung

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    Based on last night's episode, Black Lightning also seems to think that all other Earths and the Multiverse were destroyed.

    I wonder if this isn't a future plot point though.
    After all from the heroes' (and Luthor's) point of view, they know that at least three Earths were merged to form the Earth that they are currently on.

    How are they supposed to know that a Multiverse still exists?
     
  12. HarleyRandom

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    Toyman Jr. claimed to be from a different Earth. I haven't watched the entire episode yet but we know Lex understands what that means. What I don't know yet is whether it will be established that Toyman Jr. was in this limbo like the Paragons and the Brainiacs and whoever else in the last episode claimed to be from a different Earth.
     
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  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    You're talking about an episode of Supergirl, not Crisis.
     
  14. HarleyRandom

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    Do we have a thread for that?
     
  15. PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

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    Don't know, but you might want to edit your post.
     
  16. HarleyRandom

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    I didn't think we did and I just wanted to go ahead and post where the topic was brought up. I've been looking for how and I found it.
     
  17. Rob Helmerichs

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    No, but you can always start one!
     
  18. HarleyRandom

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    If everything was rebooted how can the man whose name I can't spell be Clarence to Kara's George Bailey? It's one thing to let Kara be a part of an alternate reality but considering everything was rebooted and Lex is the greatest thing since sliced bread, things can't possibly be as they were. Anyway, it was great seeing how things would have been different if Kara had done things differently. And sad that there was no way to do it right. What she actually did turned out to ne the best thing.
     

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