Cox Cable Cards

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jcaudle, Sep 12, 2006.

  1. Nov 21, 2007 #721 of 2181
    Bodie

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    The advantage is that when supported, you only need one cable card and therefore cut your cable bill by a few bucks a month.

    Phase 1: M-card fully supported instead of 2 S-cards
    Phase 2: ???
    Phase 3: Profit!
     
  2. Nov 22, 2007 #722 of 2181
    ChrisMc73

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    So is there any plan to make M-Cards where we could have two in the two slots we have in our boxes, record up to 4 shows? Or is that just a pipe dream?
     
  3. Nov 22, 2007 #723 of 2181
    gcw07

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    That would be a pipe dream at the moment. While it would be possible, more tuners would have to be placed in the box for it to work and I don't see a huge mass market appeal for 4 tuner boxes.
     
  4. Nov 22, 2007 #724 of 2181
    jfranklin

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    If by 'the new' HD channels you're refering to TBS, Discovery, History, and HGTV then you won't get them. They are not included in the cablecard channel map. In the Hampton Roads area Switched Digital Video is going to be launching soon (I don't have an exact date, just soon.), and those are going to be among the first channels to be delivered by SDV. Last I heard TiVo is working on either a breakout box or a return via ethernet system (though I don't remember where I heard that) but until there is a two way link from the node to the TiVo those channels will not be avalible.

    As for the channels that are tiling, I would be interested to know which channels they are as their might be some connection to a situation I ran into about a week ago with a S3 and THD.
     
  5. Nov 22, 2007 #725 of 2181
    tivowiz

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    It's four channels for me now, TBS, History, HGTV & HD Theater - I get Discovery HD fine. The tiling channels are 203-207, 212, 240,241, 259 & 712. Checking the signal with the Tivo on those shows that it fluctuates rapidly from 70-85.

    Ouch on the SDV, I realize that Cox needs to move to it, but, I doubt that Tivo will have anything until mid 2008 (if then), although they could surprise us.

    Can I assume that any additional HD's will fall into this category as well?

    Thanks for the info...
     
  6. Nov 22, 2007 #726 of 2181
    jfranklin

    jfranklin CSR, Cox Hampton Rds

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    Discovery HD seems to have just taken the slot on the channel map that HD Theater had, so that makes sense, the others are all in new places. The channels you're getting tiling on are almost all on the same carrier which falls inline with broadcast channel 39 which seems to be a religious channel, and the rest are part of a carrier that is inline with WTVZ's (broadcast ch33) broadcast digital channel; 233 and 766 are also in that area but since WTVZ (to my knowlage) doesn't seem to be using the whole channel it would make sense that your troubles wouldn't be on all of the cable channels it overlaps with.

    I would suggest having a tech come out and check for possible ingress (broadcast signal bleeding into the cable system) at your home; specificly on the outlet that is feeding the TiVo. I'm not sure just how forgiving the tuner and decoder in the TiVo is so it may well show a problem on channels that the Cox supplied converter would not.

    I can't speak to all new HD channels being in the same boat or not, or even new non HD channels (or current for that matter) as that information has not trickled down to me yet, but I will say that it would not supprise me.


    You're very welcome... I'll answer any question I can *ducks the pending flood*
     
  7. Nov 22, 2007 #727 of 2181
    tivowiz

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    I don't completly understand "channel mapping", but, isn't it the job of the cablecards to handle that part? Is it because the Tivo can't do upstream messaging that it doesn't work with those channels?

    The ingress piece makes sense - especially since I have an antenna connected to the Tivo as well.

    The Tivo is most likely going back, if it is having problems receiving channels now, I can't imagine what it will be like in a few months (unless the "tuning resolver" comes out soon). As much as I love the Tivo experience (bought my 1st one in 2000), one of the reasons I bought it was to simplify our life, right now it's not simplified anything for me :)

    PS - I don't know if you are at liberty to say or not, but, I heard that there are more HD channels to come in the next month - any truth to that rumor?

    Thanks again...
     
  8. Nov 22, 2007 #728 of 2181
    jcmitch

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    Cox in Rhode Island does have M cards, but I haven't been able to get them to install one in a Tivo. I know they are available because they are loaded in the back of the new Moto DCH3416 boxes they are using now. When I've called and scheduled installs, they claim to only have single stream cards available.

    jcmitch

    http://broadband.motorola.com/business/digitalvideo/product_dch3416_settop.asp
     
  9. Nov 22, 2007 #729 of 2181
    ellinj

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    Hmm, let me know if you ever successful. I would assume that I would save $2 a month by going to a single card.
     
  10. Nov 23, 2007 #730 of 2181
    jfranklin

    jfranklin CSR, Cox Hampton Rds

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    The short version is the system that tells the converter (or consumer device with a cablecard) what channels are where uses what is called a channel map. There is a map for Cox converters and one for cablecards. The reason that the new channels aren't coming in on cablecards is that those channels do not appear on the map for cards. Rather than allow the new channels to be tuned on one way cable card devices just to take them away when SDV is launched they are just not providing those channels to begin with.

    And yes, the reason SDV doesn't work with consumer cablecard devices is that so far none support upstream communications.

    The last of the channels that I knew about were the ones that were just launched, but I know that more will be coming in the next few months, I just don't know when.
     
  11. Nov 23, 2007 #731 of 2181
    tivowiz

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    Thanks for the update - you've save some Cox CSR's and myself from wasting any more time trying to fix this...

     
  12. Nov 23, 2007 #732 of 2181
    ChrisMc73

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    tivowiz

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    marspinball

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    Hi

    I'm about to order a TIVO HD and would like to know if COX is currently installing single Mstream cards and if anyone is having issues with current installs??

    Thanks.
     
  15. Nov 24, 2007 #735 of 2181
    tivowiz

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    According to this article, Cox is only planning on going to SDV in 3 markets in 2008. Is Hampton Roads one of the markets?
    The last thing I want to do is "shoot the messenger", as, I really do appreciate the information posted by jfranklin - any information, no matter how bad it is, is better than knowing nothing.

    From reading other postings on AVSforum.com, it seems that people with TivoHD's that had cablecards installed earlier are getting the channel maps for all the HD channels. So, it's only the new customers that are not getting them. Obviously, this is hardly "fair", however, one wonders how long it may be for SDV to be rolled out in Hampton Roads. If it's a year down the road, it seems that not giving these channels to new cusotmers is hardly good customer support.

    One other thing - it would seem to be in the best interest of Cox & it's customers to make sure that all the CSR's at Cox are aware of this, including the Tech's in the field, and, people at the various Cox "stores". I wasted a considerable amount of time trying to "fix" my TivoS3 to get the 4 channels that it seems it cannot receive.
     
  16. Nov 24, 2007 #736 of 2181
    moyekj

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    The 3 markets are:
    Fairfax VA, Phoenix AZ, Orange County CA
    http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6470803.html
    I don't think it's safe to assume only Orange County market will be deployed in 2008.

    Another side effect of SDV deployment is digital simulcast channels will also be switched which means CableCard customers will revert back to analog versions of the channels:
    http://www.cable360.net/ct/deployment/casestudies/15098.html
    Here in Orange County CableCard customers are already being denied any new HD channel additions in preparation for SDV (they don't want to give us new channels now only to take them away in a few months when SDV rollout begins). I was told by a CSR any new SD or HD digital channel additions from now on will be under SDV umbrella and not available to UDCP CableCard customers.
     
  17. Nov 24, 2007 #737 of 2181
    jfranklin

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    From what I know of the upgrade plans that article seems to be accurate. As for the three markets the message from moyekj seems to be right, but as I understand it Hampton Roads is getting SDV (at least in a few cities) in 2008. I admit, though, that it's been like pulling teeth on a croc to get the information that I do have. Most don't know what I'm talking about, and half of those that do don't actually understand it. If I do come up with any more detailed info that I can release I'll let you know.
     
  18. Nov 24, 2007 #738 of 2181
    tivowiz

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    Thanks again for the info, keep "pulling those teeth".
     
  19. Nov 24, 2007 #739 of 2181
    Surrealone

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    Jfranklin...
    Thanks for all the info about COX and SDV. I live in OC Ca and have the channel mapping problem now. I had a Tech come out a he told me that the new HD channels are
    not going to work with Cable Cards. Anybody have any info from Tivo??????
     
  20. Nov 25, 2007 #740 of 2181
    jcaudle

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    I currently have an SA Mcard in my TivoHd. Its losing the Cox HD and regular Digital Channels. It works for all analog channels and local HD channels. Reboots don't help. Does anyone have any ideas?
     

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