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Counterpart (Starz) Season One Thread *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Feb 6, 2018 #101 of 486
    Anubys

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    The impression I got is that Prime thinks Seconde started the pandemic but simply lacks the proof.

    Also, it looks like only Prime is worried about germs; which makes sense given their paranoia. It's also interesting which world is considered prime!

    Finally, I don't get the impression that Emily was killed. I got the impression that she was set-up to have had a relapse. They already successfully labeled her as a drugie; so now they are finishing her career.
     
  2. Feb 6, 2018 #102 of 486
    Sparky1234

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    Show gets better and better!
     
  3. Feb 6, 2018 #103 of 486
    series5orpremier

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    They have the modern glass buildings but also had a pandemic and seem like a big brother dictatorship. The origin of the ‘prime’ label seems to be more about the relative personalities of the two Howards than anything else.

    Coma Emily saying that she protected her Howard from the messiness makes me think she had an influence in discouraging his aspirations and suppressing his career.
     
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  4. Feb 6, 2018 #104 of 486
    OhFiddle

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    I had thought that the Emilys had switched at some point. I found it significant that early in the episode when she was taken to the hospital Howard mentioned that she had her appendix out as a child and several years ago had broken an elbow (if I recall correctly) and had pins inserted. That seemed like a significant detail to include and a way to tell them apart. But then I was confused by her reading the note she got from the church. Would she be reading it like that if she had written it herself? Plus the scene of her crossing over to the other side made it seem like her first time.
     
  5. Feb 6, 2018 #105 of 486
    Anubys

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    She did say it was her first time crossing. And she didn't know some of the finer details of going through the doors and stuff.
     
  6. Feb 6, 2018 #106 of 486
    DevdogAZ

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    Why are we calling the "other" side Prime? Shouldn't "our" side be Prime?
     
  7. Feb 6, 2018 #107 of 486
    aaronwt

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    I just started watching this show Sunday night. I enjoyed the first episode and am looking forward to watching the next two episodes, sometime this week.
     
  8. Feb 6, 2018 #108 of 486
    Anubys

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    I did so because the CC calls the Emily from the other side Prime Emily...that's when I noticed it, anyway. Then people here started using that so I went with the flow.
     
  9. Feb 6, 2018 #109 of 486
    getbak

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    I read an interview with the creator and he said that they call "our" side Alpha and the other side Prime.
     
  10. Feb 6, 2018 #110 of 486
    ej42137

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    My wife makes me turn on closed captions.

    I was calling the other side Seconde for obvious reasons, I needed something to call it. But I like "Alpha" much better, it symmetrically makes both sides different but equal.

    Easy to remember, too: Prime has the plague, Alpha has Apple.
     
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  11. Feb 6, 2018 #111 of 486
    ej42137

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    In video language, fixed open eyes = dead. They better wake up Alpha Emily or I'm going to be pissed!
     
  12. Feb 7, 2018 #112 of 486
    Anubys

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    Ooh...I like that...

    huh...I thought she blinked...which is why I thought she was just paralyzed momentarily...

    It makes no sense. People who OD don't fall down with pills scattered around them. And an autopsy would show that there are no drugs in her system. That is another reason why I figure it's just a setup to ruin her career.
     
  13. Feb 7, 2018 #113 of 486
    cheesesteak

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    I'm having a hard time keeping track of who is on what side.
     
  14. Feb 7, 2018 #114 of 486
    DevdogAZ

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    But there are drugs in her system. When she entered the house, she reached to turn on the lamp and pricked her finger. Then within about a minute she became woozy and passed out on the floor. Presumably, the intruder put some kind of needle on/near the lamp switch so she was stuck when she reached for the switch.
     
  15. Feb 7, 2018 #115 of 486
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Yes, and presumably what they drugged her with will be consistent with the pills.
     
  16. Feb 7, 2018 #116 of 486
    Anubys

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    There is no presumption about it. We saw she pricked herself, we saw her faint, and we saw the guy remove the needle from the lamp.

    But "drugs" don't do that to a person...heroin, cocaine, etc would not fit at the tip of a needle and have that effect...she was poisoned by something very powerful that either kills or paralyzes within a minute with only a tiny dose...an autopsy may not reveal the type of drug but would certainly eliminate what it is not...

    furthermore, I'm simply saying she didn't seem dead to me, regardless of the type of drug! :p
     
  17. Feb 7, 2018 #117 of 486
    DevdogAZ

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    I don't know if she's dead. However, it seems like it fits the narrative the best, since she just found out a big secret but was unable to tell anyone else. That's usually the way these things play out in fictional stories.

    As for what kind of drug was injected, I think we have to assume the intruders are sophisticated and wouldn't scatter the pills around her like that unless they had rigged it so that type of drug is also what appears in her system. It would be pretty reckless and foolish for them to go to all that effort to covertly enter her apartment, set up the needle, and scatter pills around her body if the inevitable toxicology reports were going to show something completely different in her system. Therefore, we have to suspend our disbelief a bit as to what kind of drug could be injected in that manner and would have that kind of rapid effect. Those things were specifically done for TV, as it was more interesting and more spy-like to have her "inadvertently" prick her finger, and they don't want to spend 10-60 minutes focusing on how she becomes increasingly more woozy as the drugs are metabolized by her system. So this was TV shorthand for her being drugged and it being staged to look like an OD (perhaps a suicide attempt).
     
  18. Feb 7, 2018 #118 of 486
    ej42137

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    Upon reviewing the last scene in slow motion, I see that she never blinks, but immediately after the pills are dropped around her you can see her eyelids twitch ever so slightly. In addition, in the very last view we have of her as we fade out, her head is at a slightly different angle and her eyes are slightly more closed than in previous views; I presume that was a continuity error, but I have no idea whether we were intended to see the twitch or not.
     
  19. Feb 9, 2018 #119 of 486
    Thom

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    Emily-Prime's killers may have used a deadly substance that isn't tested for in the Prime world due to being exotic/rare. Plus they may be able to influence the autopsy conclusions and report.
     
  20. Feb 9, 2018 #120 of 486
    Anubys

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    I just finished Binging on Altered Carbon and now going through the last season of Shameless. Since the TCF discussion on this show is not GoT-level, I've decided to wait until all the episodes have aired before binging this show as well. I like watching an entire season over a span of a couple of days. Waiting around from week to week is intolerable to me.
     

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