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Counterpart (Starz) Season One Thread *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Mar 5, 2018 #261 of 486
    Tony_T

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    IIRC, they mentioned in the early episodes that there are defectors that are being sought out to be returned. So, when Claire didn't return (and her dead shadow's fingers and teeth removed, so when/if the body turns up it won't be identified), she would be a fugitive that they would be actively looking for.

    And these are diplomatic crossings, so they won't investigate evey single person on the other side (though they will spy on some). Each side wants something from the other.

    I don't see a plot hole here.
     
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  2. Mar 5, 2018 #262 of 486
    astrohip

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    She may be loyal to her child, but didn't we also see her leading the underground group of assassins? She is not a good person for Alpha side.

    This comes close to something that bugs me more and more as the story deepens. Why the fork don't they simply explode the wormhole and end this BS? Neither side trusts the other. But unlike our real world Spy vs Spy, in their world you can get rid of the other side... close the door!
     
  3. Mar 5, 2018 #263 of 486
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Assuming that's possible...there could be any number of techno-babble reasons why it wouldn't be.
     
  4. Mar 5, 2018 #264 of 486
    Anubys

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    You're right...sorry...it somehow registered in my mind that he said before the split, not before the flu...
     
  5. Mar 5, 2018 #265 of 486
    Anubys

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    I think they are going for a much more complex character here...We have seen her reluctant to perform her duties but doing what she has to do in the end (e.g. attempting to kill Baldwin)...if for no other reason than Pope would kill her and her baby if she didn't continue to do her job. Basically, she's caught in the middle with no way out.

    One thing she could've done is to perform her mission and go back home with her baby, for example. But now that she has been exposed, that plan is out the window...

    She certainly has been hesitant and more introspective than the other operatives we have seen. When she killed the butcher, she was cold and heartless; but that could've been because there were others with her and she had to act like that lest they doubt her.
     
  6. Mar 6, 2018 #266 of 486
    cheesesteak

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    Why did Clare have to be conscious when they broke her legs?

    Evil Clare's hit squad didn't seem to know it was a hit squad and why did she have t assemble the hit squad herself? Seems like the Shadow hierarchy should have bad guy henchmen already prepared. Maybe Clare to Insurgent Hit Squad 101 in the school.
     
  7. Mar 6, 2018 #267 of 486
    Cainebj

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    I thought this backstory episode on Clare was one of the best of the season so far. Loved it.
     
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  8. Mar 6, 2018 #268 of 486
    Anubys

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    I guess so she experiences the same pain as Clare Alpha felt when she broke her legs...the memory of the pain would be the same...bat S crazy logic but it shows you the complete dedication of the people running the School...

    I, too, thought the hit squad thing was sloppy. She didn't even go with them to make sure they followed her instructions! She just hired these guys and doesn't know them at all. Yet she trusted them to finish the job correctly and not get caught (or take the easy way out and just bury her or something)...that was extremely sloppy.
     
  9. Mar 6, 2018 #269 of 486
    aaronwt

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    Having access to the other side is too important. The information they can get is far too important to close the crossing.
     
  10. Mar 6, 2018 #270 of 486
    Tony_T

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    The greatest scientific discovery in the 20th century would not be shut down (blown up, walled off, etc).
    Only a show with no imagination would do that (Agents of SHIELD)
     
  11. Mar 6, 2018 #271 of 486
    cheesesteak

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    I also thought it was a bit odd thatt they emphasized Claire shouldn't have friends but they put her in a school where it was inevitable that she would have at least one close friend.
     
  12. Mar 6, 2018 #272 of 486
    DevdogAZ

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    Totally agree with this. Seems like there should be much more security on the people crossing. Having the broken legs would have been a way for her to "prove" that she's not Clare Prime if anyone came looking. But now that's she's admitted the truth to Quayle, that's out the window.
     
  13. Mar 6, 2018 #273 of 486
    Tony_T

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    And only to Quayle.
    There is nothing to connect her to being the mole.

    These are Diplomatic crossings. As in the real world, they have a lot of latitude.

    There is strong security as shown in the first minutes of Ep1
     
  14. Mar 6, 2018 #274 of 486
    Anubys

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    I don't understand this...they broke Prime's legs to match Alpha's broken legs...so both have the same "evidence"...I assume the doctors had x-rays of Alpha's breaks and matched it so they are as close to identical as possible...


    Edit: oh, I see what you mean...sorry...but I think the broken legs were more to protect against an accidental discovery than to escape close scrutiny by professionals who suspect her and are interrogating her...
     
  15. Mar 6, 2018 #275 of 486
    Tony_T

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    Doesn't have to be accidental discovery. There is always a risk that the School gets compromised and Students identified.
     
  16. Mar 6, 2018 #276 of 486
    DevdogAZ

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    I was following the logic from your previous post. They had Clare Prime's name and picture and knew she had crossed. They would have known that she hadn't returned. They should have fairly easily been able to figure out who her doppelganger was on the Alpha side. So then if they started investigating and Prime had already disposed of Alpha, Prime could have "proved" she was Alpha with x-rays.
     
  17. Mar 6, 2018 #277 of 486
    getbak

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    She crossed under a fake name (Claudia Amin). They showed her photo being taken on the Prime side before she crossed, but not on the Alpha side after she crossed (not that it means they didn't take her picture there too).

    All they would need is for someone working for The School to swap out that Polaroid, and even if the authorities are looking for Claudia Amin, they'll never be looking for Clare.


    One downside of all the technology at the Office of Interchange being perpetually stuck in 1987 is that they wouldn't have very advanced record-keeping or identity-tracking technology available to them.
     
  18. Mar 6, 2018 #278 of 486
    DevdogAZ

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    Who says the Office of Interchange is perpetually stuck in 1987 technology-wise?
     
  19. Mar 6, 2018 #279 of 486
    getbak

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    Everything we've seen there.
     
  20. Mar 6, 2018 #280 of 486
    aaronwt

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    No idea what year they seem to be stuck at, but I did notice all the CRT monitors in the offices. It's like you stepped back in time when they show the offices.
     

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