Could Comcast be bad for Tivo???

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by aadam101, Sep 2, 2007.

  1. Sep 2, 2007 #1 of 14

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

    Jul 14, 2002


    As I look over at my Comcast Motorlola Cable Box I can't help but cringe. They are going to take possibly the greatest software known to man and put it on one of the worst pieces of hardware they could find. All I can picture are droves of Comcast customers saying "Tivo sucks" when it doesn't work the way it's supposed to do. I have faith in Tivo of course but I have nothing but hate for Comcast and I don't expect them to deliver a quality product.
  2. Sep 2, 2007 #2 of 14

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    What makes you think it's the hardware that is the problem?
  3. Sep 2, 2007 #3 of 14

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

    Jul 14, 2002
    I kinda thought it was a mixture of both. I could be wrong. I want this to be successful but we have all seen the kind of stuff that Comcast comes up with.
  4. Sep 2, 2007 #4 of 14

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    The Motorola hardware is fine. It's the software that is the problem.
  5. Sep 3, 2007 #5 of 14

    jfh3 Active Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    Denver area


    Maybe so, but doesn't the Tivo software rely on the Motorola firmware? It's not like the Tivo hardware platforms where Tivo has full control.

    I have similar concerns as to the OP - if there are problems that Tivo has no control over, it will still be "a Tivo problem" and people may associate that will all Tivos, not just the Tivo s/w on the MSO hardware.
  6. Sep 3, 2007 #6 of 14

    smark Well-Known Member

    Nov 20, 2002
    Denver, CO
    It's all part of our evil plan.

  7. Sep 3, 2007 #7 of 14

    EVizzle ^^MacGvyer^^

    Feb 13, 2005
    St. Paul, MN
    Not to senselessly bash Comcast, but Comcast deserves all the senseless bashing it gets!

    Keep Comcast out of Tivo!

  8. Sep 3, 2007 #8 of 14

    restart88 New Member

    Mar 9, 2002
    Since the company is ending mom's Public Access channels I don't doubt it. :D
  9. Sep 3, 2007 #9 of 14

    bicker bUU

    Nov 9, 2003
    There are definitely three sets of problems with the Motorola DVRs: Hardware problems, firmware problems and software problems. Some of the most insidious of the problems are either hardware or firmware such as problems noted by folks using both iGuide software and Passport software.

    The most annoying problem with iGuide is that they don't have the feature which prevents re-recording an episode within 30 days. That one TiVo feature may be worth the entire price for the upgrade from iGuide to TiVo. However, TiVo software won't be a panacea: I wouldn't be surprise to encounter problems with the remote control command processing. Some of us also have TOSLINK handshake problems -- there is no reason to think TiVo software will resolve those.
  10. markjrenna

    markjrenna Active Member

    Mar 23, 2006
    New Jersey
    Nothing is perfect. I just expect TiVo to be better from the get go than the iGuide will ever be.

    Comcast - Gemstar - GuideWorks think the iGuide is just perfect the way it is. If Comcast charged the same for both then everyone would have TiVo.

    The additional monthly fee will keep the iGuide on many STB's. Those familiar with TiVo's features will jump to it the moment it is released. I am!
  11. d_anders

    d_anders Sr Legacy Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Twin Cities...
    IPTV, Video Blogs, and YouTube with much wider distribution have killed the need for Public Access channels... :eek:

    The Internet killed Wayne's World...unless Wayne and Garth at least changed distribution methods... :cool:
  12. mtchamp

    mtchamp New Member

    May 15, 2001
    I hear more often with more certainty from more people who work in some capacity for Comcast that TiVo is coming out mid September in NE and it's really cool. It will cost $2.95 extra monthly on top of Basic DVR service.

    It certainly will be good for TiVo to have the chance to get the TiVo experience into the homes of a large number of new users in a short time. The superior quality, functionality and features of TiVo are not easily communicated. You really need to use it and see for yourself what a difference it makes compared with generic DVR software that most people think is just fine.

    We'll have to first see how many customers Comcast can convince to upgrade to the Deluxe DVR Service with TiVo, but I think it will be better than 20% that some keep suggesting. I think Comcast will aggressively leverage it's more than 16 million investment in TiVo development cost for TiVo software and they will push TiVo hard and demonstrate that TiVo Deluxe DVR Service is worth $2.95 extra.

    The TiVo software on Comcast could be such a success in many ways for Comcast, that it will become the default DVR service. Comcast will first get as many customers as possible to agree to pay extra for TiVo where it can be first downloaded to Motorola boxes and then just price it all in at some point when it's available everywhere on every DVR box including Scientific Atlanta and others out there in Comcast land. Comcast just agreed to pay for TiVo software development cost for SA boxes and others in Comcast homes, so I think they are serious about an eventual TiVo mass deployment.

    Although TiVo makes much less money on a Comcast sub, they will have much lower customer acquisition and support cost resulting in nearly pure profit for each new Comcast sub. The huge upside from Comcast will be the shared revenue from TiVo's advertising solutions deployed across all of TiVo's different platforms including TiVo standalone, DirecTV, Comcast, Cox and more to come. The number of TiVo subscribers will increase quickly and advertising revenue for TiVo could be significant.

    The other upside is the TiVo HD will get a boost from the brand building that Comcast will indirectly do for TiVo. There will be a huge opportunity for TiVo to attract more profitable subs from more consumers who get their first taste of TiVo through Comcast and want more.

    Another positive of the Comcast relationship is that TiVo is free to provide ready made software solutions for Motorola DVR's in use by other MSO's that was funded by Comcast.

    This is an exciting time for TiVo growth. An injunction was placed on Echostar, now under appeal, to unplug 4 million infringing DVR's by a Federal Circuit Court Judge in Texas after being found guilty of willful patent infringement by a Federal jury. If the injunction is upheld by the Federal Court of Appeals, TiVo will get nearly 200 million.

    With a solid win in court, TiVo will get some much needed respect and TiVo will have the negotiating power it has never enjoyed. The appeals process is quickly coming to an end with oral arguments set for October 4th and a decision should then follow within a couple of months. This could be a very good Christmas for TiVo Inc and you might just see everyone lining up to pay TiVo licensing fees for the pause and rewind live TV feature covered by TiVo's "Time Warp Patent".
  13. aadam101

    aadam101 Tell me a joke

    Jul 14, 2002
    Really cool???? This is most likely coming from people who have never used a Tivo. Of course it's going to be "cool." How "cool" in comparison to a real Tivo though?
  14. restart88

    restart88 New Member

    Mar 9, 2002
    I don't know if that's entirely true. I know some towns where this will end the city council & board meeting coverage and they have had a hard core viewer base and there are no plans to use taxpayer money to support another means.

    It has been their primary reason to choose Comcast over DBS and the S2DT Tivo making dual tuners available to Tivo users was another.

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