Cord cutting a myth?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by mr.unnatural, Oct 21, 2014.

  1. flashedbios

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    Here is what I have done in my apartment complex. I subscribe to a 100mbps line and the top tier of cable service. I have two roamios that I got for Zero Down. I then told the 3 other tenants to cancel their internet and TV and go purchase Tivo Minis. I have run ethernet cable (landlord permission) to each of the other units and put a 5 port gigabit switch in each unit. Their Minis are on my account so they get my programming. They also have access to wired internet, plus I have a guest wifi network that covers the whole complex for their wireless needs. We split the bill 4 ways and we each end up paying roughly $60. It works out great for all of us, especially since two of the tenants have unpaid bills from previous addresses and would require a deposit to setup service. We are all here to stay for a very long time considering these are 2-Bedroom units for 575 / Month. Most of us could not afford to pay more than 600 for a unit. In my case, fate has made sure I never have enough money to move out. But as far as cord cutting goes, I think this is a better solution.
     
  2. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    Where there is competition, you don't have to have cable to get the $35 15/1 service. We have Uverse or Frontier channel-bonded DSL here (and multiple fiber-based solutions announced), so no one's TWC Internet bills are going up here.
     
  3. Captainbob

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    Sounds pretty illegal to me.
     
  4. flashedbios

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    whats the difference between what I am doing, and having say, a Family of 8 people. Just because we dont have the same bloodline means we should all go bankrupt paying for cable? I told you. We all live paycheck to paycheck. Most of us couldn't AFFORD separate service. but god damn it were Fu*king entitled to it
     
  5. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    Ellicott...

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    Hate to break it to you but you ain't entitled to squat. People that think they're entitled usually aren't. Cable TV, internet, and Tivos are a luxury, not a necessity. What you're doing is theft of service and is completely illegal, plain and simple. Sounds like the other tenants that left unpaid bills at a previous address are deadbeats, so good luck with that. Being down on your luck doesn't justify theft.
     
  6. Grakthis

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    TWC forbids you from running servers. Of any kind. No servers.

    That's draconian.
     
  7. Grakthis

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    Why? He's right. They live in the same residence. They aren't forking the cable signal. The Tivo's are all on the same account. Why is what he's doing illegal? Is it because each apartment has its own address? Would it be different if they didn't have A, B, and C on the doors?

    Isn't TiVo's rule "within the same residence?" It's not "family." And they are all owned by the same person.

    I am not 100% sure what he's doing *IS* illegal. Convince me.
     
  8. flashedbios

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    It absolutely does if you can get away with it. Man, you sound just like my uppity parents. Which is why i moved out the second I turned 18. I have been happier in the last 10 years ruining my credit and scamming banks (by opening cards and never paying on them) then I ever was doing things the "right way" like my parents wanted. Yes I am a 30 year old teenager who never grew up and i prefer to keep it that way.

    Would this be any different than having every tennant over to my apartment to watch TV every evening? Because I'll do that if it helps stick one to the man. The low income of this country arent low income by choice. its all by fate and luck. I think we also need to tax anyone who makes over 100k. Tax them 50%. and give that 50% to people like me.
     
  9. Grakthis

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    Every time you post, I regret having read it.

    edit: why don't we have an ignore function on this forum for awful posters?
     
  10. Captainbob

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    So you are a deadbeat and don't mind other people paying for crap that you buy and won't pay for.
     
  11. Grakthis

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    Don't take him seriously. He rumbles into threads, rants about wealth and wealth distribution, suggests he's entitled to free things because his life sucks, then disappears again without any coherent response.

    He's not worth taking seriously.
     
  12. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    Each individual apartment is considered a separate residence in the eyes of the law. The US Postal Service also recognizes each one as a unique residence. Just because they're owned by the same person has no bearing on the situation.

    Now if the landlord was providing the cable signal as part of a shared dwelling then that might be a different situation. The fact that flashedbios ran his own network cable between apartments indicates this isn't the case. I haven't read the Tivo customer agreement in years but I'm pretty sure what he's doing is a clearcut violation.

    And robbing banks is legal as long as you don't get caught, right? :rolleyes: Scofflaws like you are the reason the rest of us get stuck paying the bill. Your Tivo isn't going to do you much good when you're behind bars, because that's exactly where you're headed. 30 and stupid is nothing to brag about. No doubt your parents rejoiced the day you moved out. I just hope they had enough sense to change the locks. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
     
  13. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    I have web and ssh servers running on my TWC connection. They've never said word one to me about them. They are for my own personal use, not public, so perhaps that is the difference?
     
  14. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    I think he's referring to servers that are connected to the outside world that others can access. That requires a different type of account altogether. Servers internal to your home network should be fine.
     
  15. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    They are accessible via the Internet, but they are not for anyone's use but my own. I am not making money off the sites. I use them to monitor what is going on with my home network. Of course, I have them running on non-standard TCP ports for security reasons, so perhaps they aren't scanning for those.
     
  16. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    There's a tenant/landlord relationship. Each apt is a separate legal residence. They aren't roommates.

    You do sign a contract with cable and there is something in there (roughly speaking) about the services covering your legal residence only.
     
  17. Bigg

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    That's GPON U-Verse. Same crappy TV service, more internet bandwidth. I *think* the equipment from the RG down is identical to VDSL U-Verse, except with gigabit Ethernet from the ONT coming into the RG instead of a phone line.

    Not terrible, but definitely not cheap.

    Not really. It's consumer internet access.

    Correct. Hence why MDUs are called MDUs. There are multiple dwelling units.

    I'm not convinced it's illegal, since it's not cable theft per se (which is completely impossible these days on many cable systems, since they all-digital and all-encrypted) but it's definitely against the T&C of the cable service, and would be grounds for termination of service. I know for a fact that a lot of people do stuff like this. I looked at some duplexes in a nearby small city, and in one case, the landlord lived in one unit, and rented the other unit out room by room, and he was sharing one cable account among both units for internet and TV. I've seen many ads for apartments that are attached to houses with TV and cable included, and you can bet there's not a separate account there.

    Whats amusing is the level of effort this guy went to. You could just as easily split/amp the cable signal and have several DVRs on the cable account, and have them in different units and all split the bill.

    The only way I could see this guy's setup being legal is if it was using OTA signals, as that might be covered under the law that allows an apartment building to have a common antenna, and even if it's not, on one would care anyways.
     
  18. slowbiscuit

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  19. Captainbob

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    Comcast also has the distinction of winning the "Worst Company in America two out of the last four years". http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/19/6004131/comcast-the-worst-company-in-america
     
  20. Grakthis

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    Interesting. So, basically, what I suggested, if you put a letter on each door, it's illegal. If you take those letters off and it's just a bunch of people living in one house, with a landlord who owns it, it's legal.

    That's such a weird legal distinction, but I guess it might be important to stop larger dwellings.

    Are we sure there's a letter on each door in the cited example?
     

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