Connecting Premiere XL4 to internet the least messy way

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by sar840t2, Sep 28, 2020.

  1. sar840t2

    sar840t2 Member

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    We just moved house and I'm hoping to reduce the complexity of my wiring rats' nest by going Wi-Fi only. I have two TiVos:
    • Roamio Pro
    • Premiere XL4 (aka Premiere Elite)
    They are both packed, so I can't experiment and would like to get them running as soon as we are moved in and have Comcast service. Speaking of which, I use my own modem (so no MoCA support via Comcast).

    At the old place I used Actiontec MoCA adapters - one connected to each TiVo. The only other purpose they were used for is to provide wired backhaul for my Google Wi-Fi mesh network - all my other devices are wireless.

    In the new place I (will) have a 2-unit Eero mesh network with cat 6 wire between the two, so I won't need the Google Wi-Fi, and since the only reason I want internet on the TiVos is for guide updates, I really don't need anything faster than Wi-Fi to the TiVos.

    So ... I'm looking for the least messy way of getting these two TiVos to talk to the internet.

    The builder, in their infinite wisdom, decided that they were going "high tech" with the Eero system, a Ring doorbell, and a 'smart' doorlock, and then proceeded to use the cat 5e wiring they put in every room to wire up phone jacks (seriously???). So while I could possibly mess around with the wiring and get ethernet to each room, that's not a short-term solution.

    If I use the Roamio Pro to create a MoCA network, I believe the Premiere XL4 supports MoCA, but I would still need to run ethernet to the Roamio Pro. I'd rather not.

    If I configure the Roamio Pro for wireless (I believe that's possible), I need to get wireless to the Premiere XL4 - what's the best way to accomplish this? Am I limited to the official TiVo Wireless N or Wireless G adaptors, which seem to be like hen's teeth?

    Thanks for any suggestions. I am so tired of rats' nests :D

    Mike

    Edit: PS - now that I have thought about this some more, can I configure the Roamio Pro to connect via Wi-Fi and create a MoCa network, and then configure the Premiere XL4 as a MoCA client? Could it really be that simple?
     
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  2. kpeters59

    kpeters59 Well-Known Member

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    This would take like 1 trip to Lowes and 30 minutes to wire up...

    -KP
     
  3. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    No, can't have both. It only works with ethernet to create/Host MoCa.
    However, you can just add a MoCa to the router site to create. Downside is the Roamio would be too slow on wifi to support the Mini. Roamio should be able to connect by MoCa with the single MoCa at the router.
     
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  4. snerd

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    Not sure why'd you'd need MoCA adapters, since Roamio Pro and Premeire XL both have MoCA support built in. But you still have the Actiontec adapters?

    Why not use an Actiontec MoCA adapter next to your modem and/or router to create the MoCA network? The TiVos could even supply ethernet connections to other nearby devices by connecting a switch to the ethernet port of the TiVo, if desired.
     
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  5. sar840t2

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    For someone who's not terrified by the though of wiring ethernet connectors, maybe, just no spare time to learn right now. But even adding an ethernet cable to both of the TiVos goes against my new "no rats' nests" ethos.

    Dammit, I was afraid of that :D
    I don't have a Mini and don't plan to stream on either TiVo so speed isn't an issue. Adding one MoCA adapter at the wiring closet might work (out of sight, out of mind).

    I think I originally used the Actiontec devices when I had an older TiVo that didn't support MoCA, and then I continued using them because the configuration just seemed cleaner than trying to parse the various MoCA options in the TiVo setup. Or maybe they supported higher speeds, I simply don't remember the thought process now. And yes, I still have them.

    Yeah, I think this is what I am going to need to do (although I have no other devices that want ethernet, but it would be available through the TiVos via a switch if needed).

    Thanks everybody.

    Mike
     
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  6. Teeps

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    You have noting to lose by trying wifi. If it works, great, if not there's always hardwire.
    Wireless worked well for my situation until I started streaming between my XL4 and Roamio (basic.)
    All entertainment devices are now hardwired.
     
  7. sar840t2

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    But I can't use Wi-Fi on the Premiere XL4 (without buying a special TiVo adapter), right? So the Premiere XL4 needs MoCA, and if I use the Roamio Pro to make the MoCA network, I cannot use Wi-Fi on the Roamio Pro.

    Unless I'm misunderstanding, which is quite possible.
     
  8. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    What @snerd and @ThAbtO said ... repurpose one of the Actiontec MoCA adapters for use at the modem/router, as your main MoCA/Ethernet bridge, and you have minimal additional wiring (none at the DVRs) supplying much better connectivity -- especially if you *ever* stream any content between the DVRs, or could ever take advantage of extending wired networking via the DVRs' Ethernet ports, as mentioned by @snerd.

    Add'l notes for MoCA setup:
    • You'll want to make sure to get a "PoE" MoCA filter in place.
    • Depending on your provider and modem, another MoCA filter may be needed on the modem's coax input port, to protect the modem from MoCA signals. This is becoming more common with the rollout of DOCSIS 3.1. See the following for add'l info:
    ... though depending on your MoCA adapter model, the above concerns Re: MoCA signal hitting the modem could possibly be mitigated by connecting the modem via the MoCA adapter's "TV/STB Out" pass-through port, if available -- which would also reduce cabling and improve signal strength delivered to the modem, as compared to using a splitter to connect the modem and adapter to the coax.​

    The MoCA adapters would have provided a more reliable backhaul for your wireless setup, since the TiVo DVRs do have to perform the occasional reboot, even when operating normally, and, yes, they may have provided much greater throughput, as well, depending on the model of the adapters and the MoCA spec of your prior gateway.
     
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  9. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay TCF Club

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    You can use wifi and another device on MoCa or ethernet, mix and match. The only exception is with a Mini, since you don't have one, then disregard my last post about the mini.

    Premiere can use the Tivo N (ethernet connection) or Tivo Wireless G (USB). MoCa capability is only built-in on the 4 tuner Premiere, 6 tuner Roamio/Bolt.
     
  10. kpeters59

    kpeters59 Well-Known Member

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    Hire a professional?

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  11. sar840t2

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    Thanks everyone for the input.

    For now since we still have a lot of boxes to unpack, I've gone with Plan D - the Roamio Pro is using Wi-Fi and the Premiere XL4 is in a closet :D. Wife is happy and so am I.

    I'll dust off this thread when I dust off the Premiere XL4, although that TiVo wasn't getting (and won't get) much use any more.

    And @kpeters59 - yeah, it crossed my mind to have a pro come in and re-connect the Cat 5e for ethernet, just in case I ever need to connect some other device to Ethernet.
     
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  12. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Not sure that’s the same “professional” field he was thinking. ;)
     
  13. sar840t2

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    Ah right, yeah :D
     
  14. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

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    Plenty of Tivo wireless adapters on Ebay.
     
  15. lesrhorer

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    Do yourself a huge favor and forget about WiFi or MoCa. Both are rife with headaches and stability problems. Do they work? Maybe. Sometimes. When they feel like it. Slowly, always. A single Category 5E cable does not constitute a "rat's nest". I have more than 40 Ethernet cables and 3 TenG fiber cables attached to a number of switches, and they aren't rats' nests, either.
     

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