Confused: Want to cut the cord but keep my non-OTA Bolt and Minis.... can I??

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Lanew, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. chicagobrownblue

    chicagobrownblue Well-Known Member

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    The wired adapter costs money. Why waste money and get slower speeds? Lots of people throw money at computer hardware because it is cheap. But, it is rarely needed.
     
  2. chicagobrownblue

    chicagobrownblue Well-Known Member

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    My TiVo has NO MONTHLY FEES.
     
  3. Charles R

    Charles R Active Member

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    I understand the logic but tend to relate that more towards tunnel vision (which I like to think I'm mostly immune to). Regarding TE4 I upgraded the day it was available and outside of taking an hour to learn the back key my experience has been roughly 99% the same... I record, watch and delete.
     
  4. BNBTivo

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    Not only do you have DVR and on Demand with streaming services, it organizes your shows and presents them far better than the tivo. Much simpler and better experience recording and presenting your shows. Enjoy your tivo, it's fine, it works for you, but let's at least be honest about strengths and weaknesses.

    The idea of season passes and how poorly they work on Tivo compared to streaming services makes me chuckle a bit when you sing its praises. You might be utterly shocked at how improved that aspect is outside of the Tivo verse.
     
  5. BNBTivo

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    I actually quite liked Hydra when I had it. I thought it was a nice upgrade.
     
  6. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

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    Well, I can think of a few reasons, including:

    1. The fewer wireless devices you have in your environment, the better the performance for the devices that need wireless access. SNR and Noise Floor and all that.
    2. Wired connections are more reliable as RF interference isn't a concern. At least up to a point anyway, and, if you have enough EMI to disrupt wired connections, nothing wireless is likely to work, so you don't have to worry about your TV picture quality degrading just because your neighbor got the latest, greatest 52-antenna 802.11af router pumping out a megawatt on all frequencies. (exaggerating there, but the concern is valid, especially in MDUs)
    3. You reduce the attack surface of your wireless network by having fewer devices on it.

    The Recast only needs 10Mbps to stream to a Firestick. Streaming UHD on a Firestick doesn't require more than 25-30Mbps. Having 70+Mbps is more than twice what I need. I learned a long time ago, if I can hardwire a device without impacting functionality, do it, and everything will work better as a result.
     
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  7. dishrich

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    OK, if YOU'LL be honest about the strengths AND weakness of your streaming services you totally LOVE now...

    First, obviously NOT all streaming services record shows, like Netflix, Amazon. And of the ones that do, of course you're going to be recording in the cloud. Then of course you're going to be using trick play features when you DVR, particularly to skip commercials. (assuming you can always do that...as I KNOW there's some you can't) There's ALWAYS some sort of delay when you're doing this "in the cloud"...sorry, but I simply find it incredibly annoying with the command delays & simply hate it! I hate it SO much, I don't even like using "thin-clients", even like the Tivo Mini's...the remote responses to me, are that much better directly out of the main DVR. (other "thin-client" platforms are simply ridiculous to me...)

    Then you mention On Demand...for at least some of the "cable shows" I watch, there WILL be (lots of) commercials...& most ARE unskippable. Obviously that's not a problem with pretty much any DVR made today...don't think I need to go on further on this. I REFUSE TO SIT THRU COMMERCIALS IN 2019, PERIOD! If I can't skip them, I don't watch that show...simple as that! One in a VERY great while, if something happens where I missed a show I have to see, I've used On Demand & it's the MOST painful thing for me to sit thru...hence why I said "in a VERY great while"!

    My next beef with streaming...in many cases, shows ONLY stay on for certain periods of time. Miss watching them & - they're GONE! With my Tivo's, I don't miss or loose them, when the streaming service looses the rights &/or decides to take them down w/out notice. You can also have the same issue with the streaming services w/DVR, where shows can "auto expire" out of your que; it's NOT like a DVR in my house, where I have total control what goes on & off it. If I want to keep shows for years to come, I can do exactly that. With my multiple DVR's, I control EXACTLY when & how I watch shows...& on MY schedule & even on my smartphone or tablet to take on a plane, w/out needing an internet connection.

    Well I'm chuckling because you act like I've NEVER used a streaming service in my life...I HAVE, in fact, done a couple of streaming trials, like Netflix, Prime, Hulu, etc. I also do use a couple streaming channels on Roku, for some niche programming I happen to like. On almost every one, I can't believe how incredibly annoying it is, to have to do SO much damn scrolling up & down, right & left, etc. Or since there's NO such thing as a # pad, having to spell out channels, shows, etc. (yea, I suppose it might be easier with a voice remote...but then again, I've never had the urge to need one on my Tivo's, or other provider's DVR's, for that matter) The problem on many services I notice, is it takes longer to find what you want, because you're scrolling thru large-sized "picture tiles", instead of a simple alphanumeric program list, that you can zip down much more rapidly. (because THAT'S what the "smartphone" millennials HAVE to have to be able to function... :rolleyes: )

    You enjoy your newfound streaming "freedom"...we'll have to agree to disagree, different strokes & priorities f/different folks
     
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  8. tapokata

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    In the case where four tuners are active, you will be prompted to stop one of those recordings to utilize a tuner for Live reception of a fifth station or playback of a recording not already in process. You can playback a recording in progress or watch that same station Live, without having to dedicate another tuner (ie, the same tuner is used for both recording and transcoding).

    As an example, on my 2 tuner model, I can record two programs at the same time, and view the live source or playback the recording in process from either of the tuners that are actively recording; but I cannot tune to a third station, nor playback a different recording, without stopping the recording on one of the tuners.

    In the Tivo universe, tuners are dynamically assigned, but are only needed for recording or viewing live source material. You can playback all recordings available on a Tivo even if all of the tuners are occupied- but you aren't allowed to watch nor record a fifth station.
     
  9. tapokata

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    Open the system x-ray screen on your fire stick, and get your real world speed connection rates when streaming to a stick app or from the recast. You can run this real time, with either a wireless or wired connection.

    There is some benefit to keeping high rate data traffic off wi-fi, so that more of the bandwidth is available to other devices that only have wifi as an option. I think the ethernet adapter would be more than sufficient, even for 4K streaming to the stick.

    I have a wireless AC access point located about 1 foot behind my TV (and the fire stick. I still may pick up the ethernet adapter.
     
  10. krkaufman

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    I believe the OP has joined a book club.
     
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  11. Lanew

    Lanew New Member

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    I'm paying an annual service fee of $149. Do I need to be paying it?
     
  12. Lanew

    Lanew New Member

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    Well... I have been paying an annual fee titled "Service Only, Annual" ..... and I dont really know what for.....
     
  13. tapokata

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    I'm hopefully not falling into the chasm here, but the service fee (be it monthly, annual, or lifetime) is primarily for the Program Guide. Without the guide, which updates via an internet connection to your Tivo, it can't record anything. At that point, it's an excellent device to warm your cat, but it's not much of a recorder.

    TL/DR version: If you don't pay the fee, you don't get the guide service. If you don't get the guide service, you have an electric brick.
     
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  14. Lanew

    Lanew New Member

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    This thread has gone to parts unknown and I'm even more confused - but appreciate your help here! I will answer as best I can.

    Not sure I understand.... I have only one incoming cable to the modem from outside. That cable is split off somewhere running one to my TiVo location. I'm planning to ditch the cable TV service, and keep only internet from Spectrum.
     
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  15. mschnebly

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    TiVo is definitely one of the very best "DVRs" out there but most people now want more than that. The streamers do a pretty good job of that plus much much more. Tons of free apps and then the more premium ones ( for live or current stuff. In other words streamers are to most folks far more than just a "DVR" and you can get one for $40-$50 and watch away.
    For someone as picky about watching videos as you, stick to a TiVo or other non cloud DVR. It's that simple. No one is trying to make you use any streaming service. All I've been saying is for those like me streaming with cloud DVRs are perfect. The way YTTV does it is fantastic - for my family - and that's why we use it. All the reasons you love your way really don't matter to us and we don't have the problems with streaming you have. When I'm watching videos the last thing I care about is 2 button presses is better than 3 or how fast I can zip down a list of shows. For you that's important, for my family we really don't care.
     
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  16. BNBTivo

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    I'm referring to TV streaming as that is what is comparable to Tivo. If someone had all of their shows on Netflix, for example, then it would absolutely ridiculous to even use a Tivo as Netflix would be far superior with no need to record and no commercials. But that's not the point. Your comments about onDemand and commercials. I have exactly zero shows that I watch that force onDemand/Commercials. It supposedly exists on a couple of shows but none that I watch. But what I do have is an unlimited DVR with unlimited tuners. Which means my library is SUBSTANTIALLY bigger than yours. All commercial free. They don't expire for 9 months. I don't keep a show for years before I watch them, lol. So your beef about streaming and missing watching shows is irrelevant. Because, as I said, I not only have far more content than you, the content sticks around for 9 months, which is eternity for me.

    I chuckled about your DVR comments compared to streaming TV. Not Netflix or Prime. There is very little scrolling to find a show in your library and browsing for new shows is substantially slicker and faster than it was on Tivo. Same with recording. I find it funny how horrible the recording on Tivo actually was. On the new services, it doesn't work that way anymore. You just click "Save" or "Add To Library" for a show you like. Voila. Done. No worry about tuners, conflicts, shows starting late or not setting your recording for long enough. None of that nonsense. You just Add shows you like. And it keeps a huge library of recorded content for them. And since I'm not limited to a few tuners with conflicts, I actually record FAR more than you. Which means when I go to my library, I have way more commercial free content than you. Other benefits? It also means when I do use the guide (yeah, people do still use the guides) and find a show I want to watch, there is a good chance I'm already recording it. So when I click on that Live show to watch, it'll just start from the beginning and I can skip the commercials. And since I record so much, it's actually pretty rare that I land on a live channel to watch something I'm not recording. So if you hate commercials, well, streaming is a far better choice. It gets better, though. On Philo, even shows I DON'T record will start from the beginning with a commercial skip buffer. Woah! Imagine just going through the guide and it turns live tv in to basically an onDemand hybrid with no commercials.... That exists.

    One other thing. You mention the picture tiles for your shows. If I'm looking for new recordings, I go to New, and there isn't THAT many different shows. And they are 3 wide. So every button press goes through 3 different shows. It's hardly daunting and I've found it possibly faster. But it's undeniable that the streaming service does a better job getting the content I want, commercial free, in front of me than the Tivo ever could. It's just not even close.

    Great, you like keeping a show for 4 years before you watch it and think Tivo is snappier than streaming (it's not, actually). As the poster above said, keep your Tivo. Enjoy it. But everyone else is moving on to better things. And from the gist of your posts, you are kind of in denial about these other products and what they actually do. And that's fine, too. Because you are obviously happy and that's what matters. Glad Tivo can provide that for you.
     
  17. chicagobrownblue

    chicagobrownblue Well-Known Member

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    After you've paid a total of something like $450 - $550 in service fees, Tivo should offer you a $99 upgrade to Lifetime. This should happen once or twice through the end of 2019. My Roamio is now lifetime and I use it as an OTA backup DVR.
     
  18. chicagobrownblue

    chicagobrownblue Well-Known Member

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    I have 2 dozen 802.11n devices hitting my apartment. Almost all at 2.4GHz. If you could get all my neighbors to put their smartphones, etc on a wired connection, I would appreciate it. But my 802.11ac 3x3 running on 5GHz has no competition most of the time.

    And the Amazon adapter is Ethernet over USB, it is not pure Ethernet. The USB introduces slowdowns. And the adapter is $15 for slower speed. Pay more for less?
     
  19. BNBTivo

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    You are missing the point. The hard wired option doesn't come with Firesticks for a reason. Most don't need it. It's for those that do. At my house, for some reason, almost anything Wifi against the wall gets interference and is less reliable. Or maybe someone is in a building or hotel with crappy wifi but decent wired. Whatever the reason, it's not for everyone. But wired is more reliable, obviously, and the speeds are beyond what the Fire actually needs, so the speed is irrelevant.
     
  20. chicagobrownblue

    chicagobrownblue Well-Known Member

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    You and dozens of others have WiFi problems that you don't want to solve. I don't and the OP shouldn't either. Please start a thread about your WiFi problems and let the OP try the free option first. If he has an issue, I can help the OP resolve it.

    Wow, I haven't been in a hotel with a wired connection in a long time. But I usually use cell data.
    There is nothing obvious about it. What is obvious is that most people don't do an analysis of their WiFi, diagnose their problem and fix it.
     

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