Community 03/24/11 - "Critical Film Studies"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by windracer, Mar 25, 2011.

  1. balboa dave

    balboa dave well rounded

    Jan 19, 2004


    I will take an uncompromised show that amuses the writers over one that is dumbed down to the general audience every day of the week.
  2. mattack

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    Cult movie? AFAIK, it did very well for a movie that was two guys talking!
  3. Hunter Green

    Hunter Green Curmudgeon

    Feb 22, 2002
    It wasn't whether My Dinner With Andre was obscure or not that made this episode fall flat; it's that it just didn't have a lot of funny stuff in it. The fake-out that Abed/the writers pulled on Jeff/us was only mildly funny, but too much of the episode was used to make it happen, and there turned out to be not that much room left for other stuff to happen that was funny. It was still worth watching, but compared to most episodes, a let-down.
  4. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

    Nov 11, 2002
    This. I applaud the show and the writers (wildly) for being so willing to experiment within the confines of the traditional sitcom 22-minute format. And that includes not always going for the laugh. This really is a brilliant show, and I'm glad that NBC is giving it a chance to breathe a little.
  5. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

    Nov 11, 2002


    Danny Pudi was awesome in this ep. He really showed that he is an outstanding actor. He was so utterly and completely a different character when he was at dinner that it was a bit unsettling. Really a fantastic job.
  6. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    And 30 years later, how many people have heard of it? Pulp Fiction, a well known movie. And as a reference point, I was an adult when it came out, so it's not like I'm some kid who was born years after. But again, at least for me, I kept thinking I was missing something. I still say, you can write smart without writing over people's heads. Modern Family is the perfect example.
  7. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    It's a sitcom...isn't the goal of a COMEDY to make you laugh? If I want drama, I'll watch a drama.

    For some reason...people think it's hip or cool to watch a sitcom that isn't traditional. There's just not enough of you to make them successful. If a sitcom isn't going to make me laugh, I'm not going to watch it (I'm talking to YOU Two and a Half Men and Mike and Molly). Community DOES make me laugh often enough to keep me watching. But the writers need to stop amusing THEMSELVES so much and try and make the audience laugh....I think that will go a long way toward the success of the show.
  8. whitson77

    whitson77 Active Member

    Nov 10, 2002
    Loved the episode!
  9. Aniketos

    Aniketos Active Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Ya, it's a solid, traditional show and it's funny. No episode of it is nearly as good as "Modern Warfare" though. So, I'd rather have a show try something different and have high highs, than play it safe like Modern Family.

    Does it have to be one or the other? It's funny and I care more about the characters on this show than other comedies, because you get to have character moments and character growth, unlike a normal sitcom where the point is that after 22 minutes, status quo is reached again. Hip, cool, call it whatever you want. I call it refreshing.

    It amuses me. Look, we're coming to the end of the second season. They're not going to pick up enough new viewers to be a mega hit. I'd rather let them play in their sandbox for as long as we have together and enjoy it than them compromising their view.
  10. Bob Coxner

    Bob Coxner Active Member

    Dec 1, 2004
    It worked for me. When you push the envelope you're always going to lose some people but it beats paint by numbers sitcom humor all to hell.
  11. ClutchBrake

    ClutchBrake Pass the gravy!

    Sep 5, 2001
    I sure wish Boomtown would have been allowed to do that.
  12. That Don Guy

    That Don Guy Now with more GB

    Mar 13, 2003
    Benicia, CA
    Gene Siskel once said that one of his tests of a bad movie was something like, "Is it worse than a movie consisting of the stars having dinner together in a restaurant would have been?"

    -- Don
  13. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    But I think that he loved My Dinner with Andre (it was a critical darling).

    I'm pretty sure that Ebert did.
  14. johnperkins21

    johnperkins21 Member

    Aug 29, 2005
    Maybe he was referencing Jon Favreau's Dinner For Five?
  15. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Maybe he was talking about Diner.

    But I thought that was a critical darling as well.
  16. vman41

    vman41 Omega Consumer

    Jun 18, 2002
    I mostly know of the movie from watching Siskel and Ebert's review of it. They both thought highly of it.
  17. mchasal

    mchasal Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    NY, USA
    I'm not sure he's making an actual reference to any particular "bunch of people eating dinner" film. I think he's just saying that if all the writing and cinematography and such couldn't come up with something better than you would have gotten if the same group of people just randomly sat down to dinner, then it is a failure as a film.
  18. Robin

    Robin Impolite arrogant woman

    Dec 6, 2001
    Yes! I'm not used to seeing that outside of Whedon. (Willow/Dark Willow, Fred/Illyria, and all the dolls on Dollhouse (except Eliza).
  19. BitbyBlit

    BitbyBlit .

    Aug 25, 2001
    Having not seen My Dinner with Andre myself, I have no idea what references I might have missed. But I agree that I didn't really feel like I was missing anything. The dinner with Abed and Jeff was in and of itself funny to me.

    I got a kick out of Abed making up a whole history for an extra, and struggling with the conundrum of not being able to be himself because he watched the show, but a character on the show couldn't be someone who watched the show.

    Of course, it turned out that Abed was probably making up that story too. But his story mirrored what he was doing. Abed was acting like a completely different person, but only because he was playing the role of a character in My Dinner with Andre. So Abed was being Abed by not being Abed.

    And that is why I love this show!
  20. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    And it turns out, he did in this season's finale of Cougar Town.

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