Comcast moving to Video Over Internet?

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  1. CommunityMember

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    The two (or more) channel positions are part of various attempts in various markets to organize channels in a logical numbering, but in any case, they take up no additional bandwidth (it is just a channel mapping function, and unless it is necessary for other changes Comcast will tend to leave the old numbers around so that people can still use their old numbers that they have been using for the past decade).

    For Comcast's own purposes (bandwidth) they will choose channels that are newly introduced, or that are considered "less popular" (and presumably they have sufficient research (and/or use agencies such as Nielsen) to believe they know which are less popular in which market (and it will vary by market (for example, Pac12 is linear QAM where those schools primarily are located, but reportedly IPTV in some other (not west coast) markets))), but, of course, "less popular" is the average, and says nothing about your particular viewing habits. All one can do is read the notices on the bills to see what is changing in the near future in your market.
     
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  2. NashGuy

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    What many of us have wondered for a few years now is when Comcast finally announces that all channels are leaving QAM and becoming IPTV-only or when they do that with a big chunk of channels (e.g. all the channels beyond their standard Extra package, or all the channels beyond the Basic package). It's coming, eventually...
     
  3. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Yea I fully expect everything but basic Lifeline service to go that way sooner than later.
     
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  4. Bigg

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    They had one system in NJ with SDV, but yes, in general, Comcast skipped SDV, and paid the price from a bandwidth perspective as a result.
     
  5. Bigg

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    I would assume that they know exactly what people are watching based on telemetry coming from the boxes. Every key press on X1 is sent to the cloud for analysis.
     
  6. mntvjunkie

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    Absolutely. Boxes are 2-way and can even “detect” when the TV is off.

    Same is true of TiVo and has been for at least a decade. You used to be able to hack into the box to see all the logs TiVo had that were uploaded on “phone home” but not sure if you can now.

    I’m not saying I have a problem with it, and some of it you can now opt out of. With Comcast, I’m sure they evaluate that data to determine what contracts to renew at what price.
     
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  7. JoeKustra

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    Still works. Sequence:
    Go to System Information
    hit Clear, Clear, Enter, Enter, 0.
    Select View Logs.
     
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  8. slowbiscuit

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    Define 'sooner'.

    I'll answer for you: you can't.
     
  9. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    All they have to do is start requiring X1 boxes whenever somebody renews their contract!
     
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  10. Bigg

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    I'm sure when you hit the TV off button on the X1 remote, it's also sending RF to the box which is sent as telemetry to the cloud, plus they have HDMI-CEC, and probably some other way of figuring it out. Plus, they can tell when you've stopped using the remote, so they have a pretty good idea if you left the TV on and fell asleep or left the room or used another remote that doesn't have RF built into it to turn the TV off.

    Yup. What to move to IP, what to provide in what region, etc.
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    I recently recieved the following notice from my building association:
    Etc. etc.

    My fear is that this means my TiVo will no longer work...am I correct?
     
  12. Bigg

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    There's no technical reason that you couldn't add a CableCard to the account if they still allow it.

    Comcast has a LOT of would-be cord cutters hiding behind bulk deals and promo/teaser rate bundles. Imagine if they stopped doing all that stuff, they'd lose a few million more TV subs.
     
  13. DigitalDawn

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    Our community is in the process of converting to Comcast fiber using RFoG technology. We are getting the main X1 Box plus (3) client boxes and an internet gateway/router. Because the delivery system is RFoG, TiVo will technically work. I asked the Comcast rep if I could exchange the (3) X1 client boxes for the (3) cable cards I already have and they said yes. I have been working under that arrangement for about 6 months so far. The fiber build-out has not been completed, and I am keeping my fingers crossed that when they flip the switch my cablecards will still work.

    You need to find out which system they will be installing. If it's EPON, your TiVos won't work.
     
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    Here in central CT, CSpan 1, 2 and 3 had been on 1128, 1129, 1130. (all in SD) Recently they removed CSpan 1 from 1128, and there is now nothing there. CSpan 1 is on 22, but i don't know whether it's been there all along, or they moved it there.
     
  15. Bigg

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    In Rob's case, there's nothing to indicate that they are installing anything. It sounds to me like a bulk deal by building management for HFC-based cable services that already exist. But it's certainly possible that they want to upgrade to one or the other fiber-based system.
     
  16. Bigg

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    Berlin? Plainville? Middletown?
     
  17. mntvjunkie

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    Small world, my association took the same deal recently.

    The tech that did the install said I was welcome to keep my Tivo/Cable Card, but that more and more channels would be moving to IPTV over time (something that isn't a surprise. I actually gave up the cable card and went all in on X1, for the following reasons:

    Pros
    1. Access to on-demand
    2. Reliable whole-home DVR. The Tivo Mini was great, but just not reliable. It would lose connection often, or simply require the main box to be rebooted in order to work. This always seemed to happen at inconvenient times (before bed, etc.) to the point I actually just gave up on watching recorded shows or live tv outside of the living room where the main box is.
    3. Reliable Out of Home streaming. In normal times, I travel for work a few times per year, and it was always a struggle to watch recorded shows while I was on the road. Sometimes it would work, and sometimes it wouldn't. The last few trips I took, I watched programs on-demand via Xfinity Stream online and it worked flawlessly. Friends have told me that the DVR programs work just as well.
    4. Reliable apps. As I use my phone and tablet more, this is important. Got tired of always having to re-authenticate to the Tivo app (seriously, this has been a problem for years, why?)
    5. Tivo Roamio got more sluggish with the new experience. I could have rolled back to TE3, but actually didn't mind TE4. An upgrade to the Edge would have fixed this, but I just wasn't sure I would recoup my investment, since break-even when paying for Comcast DVR is 7 years now. Could all my channels come in QAM for 7 years? Looking increasingly unlikely
    6. Reliability of Recording - Since X1 has a cloud DVR, a power outage or other box failure will no longer mean lost recordings
    7. No liability - with Tivo you "own" the hardware. If something happens to the hardware you are on the hook to fix it or replace it. I put this last, because Tivo has been "pretty" reliable from a hardware perspective for me, but each new generation seems less so (I had to replace the current Roamio twice under extended warranty due to failing Composite output or HDMI handshakes). I still "recouped" my investment, but it's always hard to know especially now that CableCard isn't required anymore

    Cons (AKA, what I'll miss about Tivo)
    1. Automatic commercial skip -- X1 has Smart Resume, but still requires button pushes, and commercial skip even non-automatic is more reliable
    2. The UI/Sounds -- I am sure I will get used to the X1 UI, but after 20 years of using Tivo, I'll miss the "boops". The UI isn't quite as good as it was, and X1 has advantages here too, but again 20 years of using it is nostalgic
    3. Larger recording capacity - although I use this less and less, it was nice to know I could essentially save recordings "forever" if they were important to me because of the 3TB HDD. With streaming media, this really is less important to me personally

    That's about it, and sums up my current "wants" as time has shifted. I bought my first Tivo in 2000 when the cable company I had at the time didn't even offer a DVR, and at the time it changed my life. When I first moved into a Comcast area in 2007, I took the Cable DVR because I couldn't afford a TivoHD at the time and just got a new HD TV. That lasted about 6 months, because the DVR at the time was just awful (the old blue TVGOS one). When the Roamio came out, it was a day 1 purchase for me based on the new HDUI. It's sad to me that Tivo couldn't keep up with the advances that the X1 platform introduced, but some of that was through no fault of their own (a cloud DVR is tough to do when you are relying on someone having a good upstream internet connection, but less hard when you can intercept the signal and record directly to your own servers because you control the programming too). And as the customer base gets smaller and smaller, less is spent on R&D to really "innovate" in this space anymore (linear cable TV really isn't the future for most anymore, streaming is far superior in areas that have the internet speeds, and where I spent most of my time anyway).

    It's been a fun ride!
     
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  18. Rob Helmerichs

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    For my part, the only one of your "pros" that applies to me is the last, and that one doesn't really bother me.
     
  19. Pokemon_Dad

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    Huh. Same here in the Bay Area, CA. Guess I don't watch CSPAN enough to notice, lol. 1128 is gone but CSPAN1 is on 22. CSPAN2 and 3 are still on 109+1129 and 110+1130.

    Edit: the IP Channels thread helped me figure out I should download the PDF of my August bill, and lo-and-behold it says exactly what @kdmorse copied in post #4 here: "Beginning August 25, 2020, Zona Futbol (ch.3491), Zona Futbol HD (ch.1228), POP (ch.1427), Ovation (ch.1462), CSPAN (ch.1128), DIY (ch.1493), and Cooking Channel (ch.1485) will be available in HD IP. Customers will need an IP-capable device (e.g., Xfinity X1) in order to view these channels."

    If a channel goes completely to IP (and if I really want it) I'm not going to suffer with an Xfinity box as I have a TVE solution here: Channels DVR. For now though I use that with a CableCARD HD HomeRun and OTA HD HomeRuns.
     
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  20. humbb

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    The two "cons" for me that were left out would be (a) switching from 6 live buffers to only one; and (b) no quickmode/variable quickmode [TE3], especially for live news and sports shows/events.
     
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