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Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by fastep, Jan 12, 2006.
Anyone else got that deal but in the northeast?
this seems appropriate here since you are talking about the analogs. For the 6 networks, do you watch them in the (assumedly) upper Hd channels even for stuff you know is in SD? If so, do you have to watch with bars? is the PQ of the SD stuff over the HD channels like the night and day with directv locals vs OTA locals' SD?
Thanks for the comparison.
Again, depends on where you live.... cable is capped at 1.5 and 3, just like DSL here. When I had the cablemodem, the max available was 1.5 and I was only able to achieve that at 3am, my DSL is always ~1.2. FYI, cable modem rates last time I checked were $57/mo if you factor in the required basic cable sub... they just raised the rates a few months ago so I have no idea how much they are bending people over for these days....
I'm in Montgomery County, Maryland. I called today and was only offered a package with HD HBO and HD Starz for $29.99 for 6 months, plus $5/month to rent the moto 6412. They would then drop my high speed internet from $57.95/month to $42.95/month. So, for about $20 a month I get HD Starz (and HD TNT, I think)
Not HD TNT, I meant INHD and INHD2
Don't be fooled what the DSL providers tell you either. DSL is shared bandwidth too - it's just shared at a different location on the network. With cable, the bandwith is shared between the CO and the neighborhood. With DSL, it's shared between the CO and the LEC. The only thing that is "yours" is the connection between your house and the CO.
A big problem with many cable companies, especially the smaller ones, is that they way oversubscribe their bandwidth which is what you more than likely experienced in the evenings. DSL providers, which are normally Telco's, are generally much more experienced with bandwidth management - after all, they've been doing it for decades.
It'll be interesting to see how providers handle bandwidth with FTTH.
Oh, I knew that (used to work in the telco industry a few years back)... but for me, pacbell is virtually sitting on the backbone... I have never had a slowdown evident during "peak" hours.... I get ~1.2 mb/s whether it is in the wee hours of the morning, middle of the day, or in the evenings.... Again, it is all where you are located... each ISP/cable provider are different... here in the SF bay area, Comcast has 10+ different cable lineups with different hardware and capacity... again, it depends on where you are located...
I'll freely admit one main reasons holding back has been that my PacBell/SBC/AT&T DSL has been rock solid with a total of at most one hour of downtime - over a four year period! (and I work from home a lot, so I'm using it constantly)
But a friend a few streets away tested at 7MB down, 700K up at 8PM on a Thursday night with Comcast. SBC has their 6MB, 600K up plan for $50/month - so there goes SBC's price advantage to Comcast...
Anyway, I'm at least glad I have options and the burden of choice now. My original and only available broadband connection was a flakey IDSL connection at a whopping 128K up and down, at $100/month.
All I know is I have invested heavily in HD and want the best picture possible - If the best HD picture comes from cable and that same company offers high speed internet that would appear to be the best most cost effective way to go (with VOIP).
Can you have dsl without having local phone service? If local phone service is a requirement, then I think VOIP with cable modem would be cheaper. If not than dsl might make sense. Who knows with fios we might all get our HD tv next year from Verizon! Isn't competition in America GREAT!!!!
It's just like DTV. When Hd local channels broadcast in sd it always has bars. Biography, History, SciFi, etc. can be stretched just like DTV. The cool thing about the 6412 is you can preset the format so that when a program is broadcast in HD the box automatically switches to 1080i and when I put on an SD channel it switches automatically to 480p. You pick and set which format you prefer (ie 1080i or 720p and 480i or p).
As far as pq, I believe sd on analog cable channels (below 100) is almost as good as DTV and over channel 100 are better than DTV. Comcast appears to be shifting some of those channels to digital (above channel 100). I am currently watching a show on History International on both DTV and Comcast and the Comcast picture is better. I then switched to the History Channel (channel 59) on cable and seems as good as DTV.
BTW, my wife just came home and as she passed by on the way to the bedroom she said "hey that On Demand is really cool !" Normally she is never interested in new tech stuff (except when I brought home a Senseo coffee maker - THAT she loved.) Great, now she'll stay home and drink cafe lattes and channel surf all day. Maybe this isn't such a good thing...........
I just got the Comcast DVR in November and was expecting the 6412 but when I got the box it was the Motorola 3412 box. This is a fully digital box with 2 digital tuners. The normally analog channels (2-100) are simulcast in digital. Of course they screwed up the setup of the box once and I had to have them come out a second time to run some new cable in the house because the old cable was junk. Now that everything is set up and working I really like having 2 tuners. The Comcast DVR software is annoying compared to Tivo software but hopefully that will be fixed this year when I can get the Tivo software with Comcast.
I still have the SA series 2 Tivo upstairs in the bedroom just in case but I have been using it less and less.
I have Digital basic, the DVR and high speed internet with Comcast and they bend me over for $120 a month for all of them.
I have had Comcast digital cable and internet for over 5 years and have been seeing all these new subscriber deals for a few years or so. It does tick me off that Comcast will have all these deals for new subscribers and nothing for loyal existing customers.
Any existing Comcast customers ever successfully renegotiate their monthly payment? If so how did you do it?
The 3412 is exactly like the 6412 minus the analog tuners as you mentioned.
Just added all cinemax including HD Cinemax for $5 per month for 6 months!
Ummm, I was thinking "damn what a smart guy" until that last part. Your 'friend' ( right! hehe ) could have simply called Comcast back after 'committing' to the deal and said sorry, D* made a counter offer. Match it or no deal. After all there was no contract. I did a similar deal with TWC recently where I was given a free install and no contract. I put my D* on suspension for 30 days and finally cancelled it yesterday. Despite getting TWC installed, if D* had made me a better offer yesterday, I would have gone back. But alas they did not.
What price hike? Comcast is cheaper than US cable in my area.
Over here in Western Washington they remapped everything for SD about a month ago. So all the stations originally below 100 are now SD with anolog equivalents at channels 700 and above.
Comedy central SD is channel 60 with the old analog reception at 760.
Made a big difference.
They raised the rates here (SF Bay Area) just a few months ago... I think it is the third or fourth since comcast took over the ATT cable business here a few years ago... The cheapest Digital package is $57/mo...
Just researched and found out 6412 has enabled firewire on the series III. I purchased an RCA 2160 HD recorder (160 gb) and will chain it with my MITS TV. I dont know if it will allow for programmable recording or if I can only dump recordings or real-time shows to it (like a vcr) from the 6412. If this works, it will solve my HD space dilemna until larger drives become available. I may have two HDtivos ready to hit the market much sooner than anticipated. BTW - anyone have experience with 2160 capabilities ie. guide recording? Thanks.
PS...I cannot say enough about watching "true" HDTV. I had no idea what a difference compression really makes on an HD picture until now. I feel exactly like I did in 1999 when I had a terrible cable picture on my analog tv and no on-screen guide and i switched to DTV. What a difference! Then I got ultimate tv. Talk about tv heaven! Then I entered the HD age and immediately jumped on HDTIVO. DTV has been good to me and I have been a good customer. However, things change.......
Now, 7 years later cable has actually caught up and surpassed DTV (and honestly I never thought I would say those words!)
DTV with its limitations cannot send true HD transmissions or offer as many channels. They have mandatory phone line connection, mandatory service contracts, make their customers buy $1000 receivers to receive inferior transmissions (and I spend $8 per month for insurance), have no affordable high-speed internet and phone service.
I actually feel bad for DTV but business is business. I have a feeling many of you will follow.
I don't and I will. I was a loyal customer for almost 10 years and they reward that how? The instant Comcast has an HD Tivo ready I'm outta there.
Why wait? I really like the 6412 III. The interface is almost like Ultimate Tv in that it is FAST, it doesn't require a connected phone line and you can continue to watch recorded or live programs in a small box while you mess around with menus and guides. I also like the fact that a small red dot appears in the guide when you come across a program recording or scheduled to be recorded which makes it easier to plan future recordings. If you come across a program in the guide you want to record, just press the record button once and almost instantly a red dot appears (the way it should be with no more "please wait" messages that lasts forever)! It's just as easy to eliminate future recordings.
I can schedule 2 weeks worth of recordings in 5 minutes while watching a recorded show or live TV. With HDTivo, this could take 30-60 minutes which I always felt was RIDICULOUS !!!!!!!!!!!
The 6412 will also tell you what percentage of the hard drive is full and will warn you on future recordings when space will be needed or about recording conflicts. The search function is better than Ultimate Tv in that it is like Tivo. This is the one feature I thought Tivo had over Ultimate Tv.
I also like the "quick access menu" that allows you to pick and display an HDTV channel guide to quickly access only HDTV channels.
Initially I said the interface of the 6412 was primitive compared to tivo but I was REALLY wrong!