Clueless about streaming devices

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by saibari, Jan 3, 2021.

  1. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

    Apr 2, 2005


    all the major streaming devices on the market do the job.

    differences between them there are things such as UI, processing power, no ethernet or needs additional adaptor for ethernet, dongle vs box, some app availability perhaps, ...
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2021
  2. wizwor

    wizwor Guest

    Dec 17, 2013
    Depends on the job. You need a FireTV to watch OTA via a Recast. You cannot integrate Prime Channels, Sling TV, OTA, Pluto, Hulu Live, Philo, and YouTube TV into a unified grid style guide with a Roku or Apple TV.
  3. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

    Apr 2, 2005
    you're making it too complicated. the OP is a newb. And OTA isn't streaming.
    osu1991 and ncted like this.
  4. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

    May 13, 2007
    Durham, NC
    Just to make sure everyone understands what you would like to accomplish. Do you want to replace your Tivo or just add streaming?
  5. lparsons21

    lparsons21 Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2015


    IMO, most things we talk about are just good conversation subjects. If I was fairly new to the streaming world and looking for a device I would think mostly about:

    1. App availability. The broader the availability of support for the various streaming services the better the box because that means if I want to add or switch a service I don’t have to worry about whether there’s an app for it on my box.

    The two best boxes for that are AppleTV and Roku these days. Virtually every service is available for them with just a simple download of the appropriate app.

    A close 3rd choice is FireTV but notably Peacock is missing and while it can be sideloaded that isn’t an ideal situation.

    2. Performance - most boxes these days are fine in the performance requirements. Yeah some boxes are slower than others, but not enough to be a problem IMO.

    3. UI - user interface. Yeah we talk about it, but it isn’t like any of the UI’s are really wonderful and once you’ve dealt with any of them it just isn’t a big problem. And considering that there is a slew of UI’s in streaming anyway, why get hung up over it? There’s the box’s UI then each app has its own, none really great but all useable.
  6. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

    Apr 2, 2005
    Yep every major box does the job. The basics are all there for every device. Even app availability is basically the same across the board and a non-issue. YOur example of peacock is almost certainly temporary. Nevermind whose to say disagreements won't happen in the future between current apps and platforms.

    The OP is coming from a Roamio and an old smart tv as his streaming platforms and is a newb so anything is going to be a major upgrade there in performance, UI, app availability, etc.
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2021
  7. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

    May 13, 2007
    Durham, NC
    With Roku trying to buy Quibi's content, Prime Video being an Amazon product, and AppleTV+ being an Apple thing, I think it is just a matter of time before we have a similar kind of regular content disputes as we get with cable and satellite. Peacock and HBOMax are just the tip of the stupidberg.

    IMHO, the platforms less likely to have such disputes are AndroidTV and tvOS because it would affect both streaming device and mobile phone apps, but it is by no means guaranteed they won't happen on those platforms.
  8. ManeJon

    ManeJon Active Member

    Apr 14, 2018
    I have a somewhat newer Samsung TV and they update software occasionally and allow apps (that are supported on Samsung) to be added. works great for me
  9. jebbbz

    jebbbz Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    35th and...
    You will need a streaming device, as the discussion has noted. Whatever you choose you will need to register with Amazon or Roku or Tivo or whomever, depending on what you choose, with a user name and password. I have experience with the three I mentioned. Most are small devices that need a power source, connection to your home network and a connection to your TV via HDMI. I assume you will keep your Roamio and that it is connected via Ethernet to your network. I am also assuming you have an open HDMI port on your TV. Streaming sticks, except for Rokus, come with short HDMI cables that make it easier to connect to your TV. Roku will send you one for free if you need it.

    The sticks typically only have one port for power, usually micro-USB. You may be able to use a USB port on your TV but your streaming device will need to restart every time you power on the TV. You can obtain a device that will allow for both a power connection and an ethernet connection if you have or can run another cable in addition to the one that connects to your Roamio. If not, you will depend on wi-fi that for me, at least works well enough. Check your wi-fi signal near your TV.

    Once your streaming device is registered you can download the apps you desire. I am pretty sure all of the services you mention are available on the devices people have discussed so far. You will need to login to your services with the new device. The main distinctions are cost and user interface. If you are a Prime member you can get some great deals on Fire TV devices but only Apple TV and nVidia Shield are notably more expensive than the others discussed here.

    One thing missing from Roku is a listing of shows and movies you are watching and want to continue. You have to remember what shows you are watching and which services offer them. Fire TVs offer these centralized wish-lists and keep-watching capability (except for Netflix which doesn't play along). If you have videos on your home network you may find some devices easier to use to play them on your TV. (My Fire TV sticks work fine but my Rokus are clunkier. The difference is SMB vs. DLNA networking. Yes, my eyes glaze over...)

    If you use closed captions you may find Rokus preferable as you have more control over their appearance. Fire TVs always show them in black rectangles whereas Rokus allow for outlined letters with no background. I use CC on lots of British and Australian shows, especially when one character is a foreigner who speaks with an accented accent.

    You Tube has videos showing the capabilities and user interfaces of pretty much all the streaming devices and you may be swayed one way or another by viewing them. As I went out and bought a Fire TV Recast to backup my Bolt (dirt cheap as I am a Prime member) I mostly use my Fire TV sticks but otherwise I could get by with my Rokus. Once Peacock (I watch Premier League soccer) became available on Rokus and, by sideloading, on Fire sticks I put away my Tivo Stream 4K so have little experience with it.
  10. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

    Feb 22, 2001
    SF Bay Area, CA
    I've not had any stability problems on my pretty old Roku 3. I bought it at Radio Shack when they were in business. That said, I don't watch THAT much streaming TV. I'll probably replace it with a new Roku model once software updates for it end.

    I really dislike the Apple TV 4K remote. It's the damn touchpad. I tend to avoid using the Apple TV 4K unless I have to watching something on there (e.g. Apple TV+ content). Yes, I know there are alternate remotes but I'm loathe to spend $ on that given that I usually have other alternatives already and that $ can be spent towards other streaming devices.

    Attached to my main TV (not a tiny test TV I have at home for work) I also have the 1st gen of the round Chromecast + one of the new Chromecasts w/remote control.
  11. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    Beyond the remote I wish they had a better API so you could launch apps or even the next episode of something from Alexa / Harmony and other HA stuff.

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