Chromecast with Google TV

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  1. dbpaddler

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    Yep. Blue is in demand.

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  2. moyekj

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    After using the new Chromecast for a few weeks I have to say I'm not impressed. Performance I find sluggish compared to Fire Stick 4K, and the "Continue Watching" section has lots of limitations as has been discussed. The remote I find the length to be too short and location of the volume buttons on the side to be terrible. Just much prefer design and feel of the Fire Stick remote. I also find Fire Stick in general to be quite significantly more responsive, even for YTTV, which is really surprising to me given it's older hardware compared to Chromecast. Think I'm going to switch back to using Fire Stick 4K for daily use again.

    Regarding performance, perhaps in part it could be related to the Fire Stick being hard wired while Chromecast is using 5GHz WiFi, but the Chromecast is less than 1 foot from the router and speed tests are roughly equivalent on Fire Stick and Chromecast. Wireless always introduces slightly more latency compared to wired, so maybe that is the most significant factor in sluggishness.
     
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  3. Tony from the corner

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    The Chromecast remote is absolutely horrible. I pulled my dongle off of my 2019 4k Samsung and went back to using the Samsung apps. The samsung remote is 10x better. And with a broken continue watching feature, why bother with the Chromecast I thought to myself. Bixby, not as good as the assistant, works good enough for the streaming apps.

    The Samsung built-in apps perform better than the Chromecast apps. The Chromecast has a lot of issues.
     
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  4. moyekj

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    Plus now HBO Max is officially available on Fire TV platforms (starting tomorrow), so that limitation compared to Chromecast is gone.
     
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  5. AussieFigjam

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    This is a kernel driver kind-of functionality. In order for this to work, it would need driver support for NTFS in the Android TV kernel, which effectively means it would work with all Android TV devices, and it would come in a system update (e.g. in ATV10 or ATV11). Since Android is based on the Linux kernel, and there are NTFS drivers for Linux, it is technically possible, but I doubt it will happen unless some hacker has managed to code something that you can side-load.

    The only easy solution here is to either connect the drive to a server machine and then share it to the network so that the Chromecast can see it (e.g. using the VLC player), or just buy a NAS enclosure for it and do the same (would not require an actual server machine).
     
  6. AussieFigjam

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    Yeah, that's what I kind-of remember. What I really want is some aggregation tool that surfaces all the files that I actually have on my local Plex server, and I came to the same conclusion, nothing does it yet.
     
  7. AussieFigjam

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    Yeah, it has to be the color. Mine were all plain white because basically I don't care what color it is, and the most recent one was shipped about 2 hours after I ordered it. I guess they only caught up with white; the moral of the story is if you don't care about the color, order the white one, you will probably get it quicker.
     
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  8. dswallow

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    Can't say I've actually tried it yet, but both my Sony X950H (running Android TV) and nVidia Shield Pro state the USB drive support includes NTFS file systems.

    Sony:
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    nVidia:
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  9. dbpaddler

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    It totally is. I went to cancel a blue one a few weeks ago and order a white strictly because of the ship date. Then I ended up ordering a blue one again like a dummy. Felt too dumb to bug Google again about canceling an order and keeping my $10 off coupon. But I might just cancel the two orders unless I want to use them as Christmas gifts. I plan Ed on replacing my TS4k's, but after seeing the home screen on Google TV, I think I'm keeping the TS4k's with their Android TV home screen.

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  10. AussieFigjam

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    It turns out to be a licensing issue; In order to use NTFS (which is owned by Microsoft), you have to pay a licensing fee, and both Nvidia and Mi Box paid the fee, and they work (I guess there is a kernel driver, and these companies paid the fee to include it in their version).

    There is a Reddit post here:



    But basically, it comes down the the same answer, if you don't have Nvidia or Mi Box, then you need to attach it to the network and use SAMBA or some other thing to share it.
     
  11. AussieFigjam

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    Yeah, I have come to the conclusion that this is a "love it or hate it" situation. If you don't have much use for a search aggregator and/or haven't really embraced them much, and you don't subscribe to YouTube TV, then the old Android TV interface is a much better idea because at least it surfaces things you were watching on each app.

    Of course you can configure the Chromecast in app only mode; I haven't tried it, but I suspect it doesn't surface the app specific content and only shows the single apps row, so it is still inferior.

    One other option is to side-load the old launcher on the Chromecast. Seems like this would work, but may need some ADB fiddling. Or use other launchers, but I never found another one I really liked.

    The plus of the Chromecast is that you can be pretty sure it will continue to be developed, and will be getting all the latest bug fixes and updates quickly
     
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  12. babsonnexus

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    Hehehehe, yeah, I'm in no rush on this so I'm just keeping the blue order for now. Right now, I have the Google TV interface on the Stream 4K (which overall I prefer to Android TV, each their own), so I already know it does not meet my expectations (a horizontal Watchlist with no ordering, no filtering, and no way to mark episodes as watched... no thank you!). However, I'd rather have the up-to-date (and potentially future updating) Google one without TiVO's useless add-ons in my Living Room and instead move the Stream 4K to the bedroom, replacing a Roku. Over time, I'm sure we'll keep working this way until the Roku's are all out of the house, just like the old Gen1 FireTV that they replaced.

    If only there were some company that could build a UX exactly like TiVO's, except build it on top of Android TV so that it would be agnostic and could access all apps and integrate them over time into a single content aggregated source. If only...
     
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  13. AussieFigjam

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    Yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with this. I prefer the new Google TV interface to the old Android TV one, but it's a long way from perfect. I'm just hoping they listen to the feedback they get and improve over time. Seems like the TS4K interface is really not going anywhere any time soon, but we can hope. I'm also running the Google TV launcher on my TS4Ks. I also have a bunch of Rokus, and before the TS4K, it was my default platform, and I was replacing them with TS4K, but I ended up picking up 3 Chromecasts for $10 each after the Netflix credit, and one with a $10 discount, so I just replaced everything with Chromecast now.
     
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  14. dbpaddler

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    Think the whole agnostic thing is a pipe dream at this point as everyone has an angle and cares more about ad/placement revenue than the user's actual experience.
    Now it seems like voting in elections, you choose the lesser evil.

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  15. dbpaddler

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    I never cared about the whole latest/greatest argument. Tivo's future is Android. The TS4k is their consumer Guinea pig for their cable box OS. I don't really doubt they'll support it for quite awhile. Don't care much that updates won't come as quick as a Google branded device. I don't own a pixel device or a Chromebook. Though I have. Updates never made or broke my experience. Can't see that happening here.

    But different strokes for different folks as mentioned. And since I use Channels DVR for live TV, the tivo remote is much better than Google's with the live and guide buttons. Also got ethernet going too. So I don't have any real complaints at the moment. And outside of disabling apps, I haven't had to do anything extraordinary.

    Will see how they both fair over time. And not worth selling the TS4k's at about a $15 loss just to get more CCGtv's.

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  16. babsonnexus

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    True, I know that Google just wants to harvest my user data to sell to the highest bidder and to direct ads at me for their partners. That said, after watching the fights Roku is having with their partners because they just want to be an advertising distribution platform, any argument they had for independence is gone. From that perspective, I'd rather go with the platform that does not want to control what and how their partners offer content and tries to be as open and available as they can be. Also, yes, Google does does sell movies/shows, but they don't front and center it like Amazon, Roku, and Apple do with their own content. I'd rather be in the ecosystem that is not just focused on their own content so maybe--just MAYBE--we can get the real dream of full content aggregation in usable formats.
     
  17. dbpaddler

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    Google might not push their own Play content, but I'm stuck with youtube crap on my home screen. I disabled the YT app, and I still have a recommended YouTube row and scattered recommendations. If it's not a dedicated row it's a row dominated by YT content.

    I don't want YouTube in my theater room period. But it clogs up my home screen. And I'm quite sure HBO pays them a pretty penny to showcase Max stuff everywhere on the home screen. And I'll also bet Google takes money from streamer companies for placement in your recommended content. Not all about ad revenue and personal info.

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  18. mrizzo80

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    Netflix told Google to not allow adding Netflix originals to the Watchlist on this box. Lame.
     
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  19. dbpaddler

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    On the Reddit thread, someone said they wearable to do it through the Google TV app on their phone. Someone else said they were rable to do it through Google search.

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  20. mrizzo80

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    Yeah, it still works from the web. I’m on iOS so I don’t think I have access to that app.
     
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