Chromecast with Google TV

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  1. Nov 6, 2020 #381 of 548
    dbpaddler

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    And the ATV is triple the price. Just sayin'. If I was charging three times more I would use better materials, faster processor and blah blah blah. And you're in apple's camp which also plays a factor.

    And seems laggy? Granted I don't use mine as often as it's in the theater room, but the masses seem to think it's fairly snappy in general.

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  2. Nov 6, 2020 #382 of 548
    AussieFigjam

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    Not surprising, ATV is 3 times the price, I would expect the build, speed, and integration to be better, this is what Apple does really well, on the minus side, you have very little flexibility to play around with the platform, and if you want it to integrate well you have to be wrapped up in the Apple eco-system (Apple phone, Apple WiFi, Apple Mac, etc...); nothing wrong with that if you just want stuff to work and you are willing to pay the exorbitant price that Apple charge. Apple are like the Mercedes of tech, if you just want a top-end product, and are willing to pay the price, then it's a good way to go, but most of the population don't drive a Mercedes, a Ford gets them from A to B just as well, and there are plenty of third party vendors that will service it for you.

    Of course my perspective is skewed, I know how to open up the hood on an Android product and fiddle with the internals (something that I would never do on Apple), but if you don't know how to do that, or you don't have any intention of doing it, and you are OK to pay the premium price, then Apple is a good choice, and you will get a premium product for the money.

    There are premium Android products too; If you are doing an apples-to-apples comparison (sorry for the pun), Shield TV might be a better thing to compare.
     
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  3. Nov 6, 2020 #383 of 548
    trip1eX

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    blah blah blah. :)

    lol all i did was give my first impressions and mention what I was using for some perspective.

    think you read too much into that.
     
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  4. Nov 6, 2020 #384 of 548
    AussieFigjam

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    :) Yeah, and it was a fair assessment if you don't consider price or integration with non-Apple products, and to be honest, if you already paid the money for an ATV, and you already have some other Apple products (like an iPhone), I would keep using ATV. Generally, if you have no need to fiddle with Tech and you just want to turn it on and have it work, and you are OK to pay the money, then Apple products are definitely the right way to go.
     
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  5. Nov 6, 2020 #385 of 548
    dbpaddler

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    But then he wouldn't have a reason to be a consistent antagonistic voice on here. And what fun is that?

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  6. Nov 6, 2020 #386 of 548
    trip1eX

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    lol the first thing I said in my first impressions was the only reason I got a Chromecast was for the Netflix credit and that I didn't need a streaming box. And now you're telling me you would keep using the ATV if you were me. Thanks!

    You're doing the strawman thing if you don't realize it. YOu're replying to me as if I made some grand conclusion and robust comparison of said products and was trying to figure out what I should use or telling other people what they use etc. I did no such thing. I merely mentioned my reference pt briefly so anyone reading said first impressions would have some perspective where I am coming from.

    So it's strange to me to have someone say to me, for example, the ATV costs 3x more than the Chromecast given I mentioned my reference pt (ATV) in order for you the reader to draw your own conclusions. IN other words, I was already telling you the reader that I am using a device that costs 3x more. :)


    anyway just wanted to try and articulate that.
     
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  7. Nov 9, 2020 #387 of 548
    blackngold75

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    Received it on Friday. Decent device, although I prefer the TS4K remote with the number buttons for quick channel input on live TV. The deal on this Netflix bundle is fantastic: after applying the credit to my Netflix account, the cost for the Chromecast w/Google TV was $6.05!
     
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  8. Nov 9, 2020 #388 of 548
    Old Roamio 0

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    I got both. The Tivo ts4k remote is nicer. The software is more customizable on the ts4k. The chromecast is zippier. It workers soother also with justwatch and reelgood. But wifi seems to be better with the tivo ts4k. Chromecast is cheaper to get, at present because of Netflix.

    Tivo ts4k remote makes it win by a nose.
    ... Better remote, and you can change the rows to where you want them.
    But it is sure to be contested.
     
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  9. Nov 9, 2020 #389 of 548
    dbpaddler

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    Sabrina is only cheaper with the Netflix deal. Doesn't do a thing for Tmo users.

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  10. Nov 9, 2020 #390 of 548
    AussieFigjam

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    Yeah, I guess it depends on your perspective. For me, there are a number of factors (other than the ones you mentioned) which make me lean towards Chromecast:

    • I use YouTube TV as my only live TV provider, and Chromecast integrates much better
    • I don't always know what I want to watch, and I use a search aggregator to find new material and launch it, and the Chromecast integrates this much better with the launcher, and most importantly, it finds material from YouTube TV, which other aggregators don't
    • I have not found any use for all those extra buttons on the TS4K remote, although I would agree, in general, that it has a nicer design.
    • I have a much higher confidence that the core device software will get fixed and updated more frequently and quickly on the Chromecast than on the TS4K, and I think the Chromecast search aggregator will improve over time
    If you have not embraced search aggregators and you still launch individual apps most of the time, and you don't subscribe to YouTube TV, then then old launcher may suit you better; one thing I'm really missing from the old launcher is the Plex row, but eventually, there is a good chance that the TS4K will get the new launcher anyway. Also, if you have found a use for the extra buttons on the TS4K remote, then it could be a better choice, but, as you mention, it is more a expensive device in many cases, because of the various discounts you can get from Google.

    Personally, if I had the choice today, I would always buy the Chromecast over the TS4K, but it is good that there are some people that have another perspective, and would lean towards TS4K, because hopefully it means that Tivo will continue sell it and support and update it.

    Edit: On the WiFi, I have Google Nest WiFi, and unsurprisingly, the Chromecast seems to have better WiFi for me, although both the TS4K and the Chromecast are more than adequate, and each gets over 100 Mbps with 100% reliability (neither has ever dropped out on me).
     
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  11. Nov 9, 2020 #391 of 548
    dbpaddler

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    That's one thing I don't like about Sabrina, the lack of app based rows.

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  12. Nov 9, 2020 #392 of 548
    AussieFigjam

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    Right, in fact lack of configuration in general. The only one I really noticed was Plex, because I use it a lot. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have a "program type" focused launcher rather than an "app" focused launcher, but it would be nice if Google recognized that not every app will integrate with the search and aggregation, and those apps are otherwise left completely out in the cold. From the mood on the Plex forums, it looks like Plex will not be integrating with the new launcher anytime soon, mostly because Google made it really hard to add ability to find stuff that is not the same for everyone (or at least most people with a few variations); the problem with Plex is the content is different for every single person.

    If I had an option to add back one or two app based rows, I would add back Plex in a heartbeat. It would also be nice if there was the ability to hide some categories, and re-order them somehow. I'm hoping it gets better over time, but in general I like the concept.
     
  13. Nov 9, 2020 #393 of 548
    fattymcbuckles

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    I wish I could make the Sabrina home page look like it does on nvidia Shield and Tivo 4K with just that simple Android tv launcher instead of ads and recommendations. I side loaded Wolf launcher on Sabrina,but I’d still prefer launcher that nvidia uses.
     
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  14. Nov 9, 2020 #394 of 548
    AussieFigjam

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    Most likely they will all get updated to the new Google TV launcher eventually, but if you like either the TS4K or Shield launcher, just copy it off one device and then sideload it on to the Chromecast using X-Plore. I did this already with the Google TV launcher (LauncherX), which I copied from the Chromecast to the TS4K, although I have not tried it the other way round.

    It's easy to do, just use X-Plore to connect your Google Drive account, copy the app to Google Drive on one device, and then use X-Plore to copy it back off on the other, and it gets side-loaded. There is probably one more ADB update to do to disable the new launcher, look for the instructions on reversing the new launcher on old ATV devices on 9to5google.
     
  15. Nov 9, 2020 #395 of 548
    dbpaddler

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    Doubtful the TS4k will get updated anytime soon. Devs said they had no plans to do it.

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  16. Nov 9, 2020 #396 of 548
    AussieFigjam

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    :( I hope they at least update to ATV10, although I expect Google will force them to use the new launcher with the new OS level.
     
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  17. Nov 9, 2020 #397 of 548
    Alex_7

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    I keep seeing the same recommendations on Google TV after watching multiple movies and hitting "watched" and "thumbs up"
     
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  18. Nov 9, 2020 #398 of 548
    dbpaddler

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    I doubt they'll force them to do anything. I think the TS4k is more a Guinea pig consumer device for their cable box setup. They don't have the level of integration they can have on the cable side, but I think they're just doing their own thing. That's what I got out of my back and forth with the dev on Reddit. Unless the customers make big enough stink, it'll be on 9 for a bit. Stream is their aggregation baby. Why would they update to Google TV that essentially competes against it?

    I know I don't want the Google TV launcher. If I did, I would just buy a bunch of ccgtv's and ditch the TS4k's. At least the old launcher has app specific rows, more customization options, and less pay content shoved down my throat.

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  19. Nov 9, 2020 #399 of 548
    fattymcbuckles

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    Totally agree. I like the old launcher better,less payed content which I don’t use.
     
  20. Nov 9, 2020 #400 of 548
    AussieFigjam

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    I'm not a big fan of the suggestions at the top either, but they are there on the latest TS4K launcher too. On the Chromecast, you get to select which services you already subscribe to, and at least for me, more than 90% of the suggestions have been for services I already have. Even with that, I have never clicked on any of them, so I view them more as a waste of space on my screen.
     
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