Chromecast with Google TV

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  1. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    FYI, on "Continue Watching". I have confirmed at least for HBO Max recordings, that I MUST launch to show from Chromecast itself in order for Continue Watching to get an entry for it. If I launch shows within HBO Max itself they don't end up on Chromecast Continue Watching. To me I think this is good/expected behavior.
     
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  2. BillyClyde

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    Thanks so much for testing and reporting your findings.

    Can you confirm which buttons work when using the TS4K remote?
     
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  3. Alex_7

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    No problem, glad it worked out for you!
     
  4. moyekj

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    The standard buttons such as all 4 arrows, select, back, circle is what I tried. I didn't try others such as skip, voice, numbers, or channel up/down.
     
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  5. moyekj

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    It looks to be inconsistent. After launching and watching 1 episode and coming back to home page I did see Continue Watching, and launched from there to watch another couple of episodes of an HBO Max show. But then returning back to home page the series disappeared from Continue Watching even though I was not done with the show or even the season. So appears to be flaky.
     
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  6. Tony1965

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    Was really bummed that Chromecast with Google TV downmixes DD 5.1 to PCM Stereo for live broadcasts. I think that's a deal killer for me. I guess I have to keep my Edge with horrible Cable Card support from Spectrum. Tivo Stream 4k just doesn't live up to the hype with Sling. If Tivo Stream 4k would offer YTTV (Google TV), I would jump ship in a heartbeat, and why they went with Sling and the underlying code is android makes no sense. I might even jump ship if Tivo 4k Stream had YTTV, even without DD 5.1 on live broadcasts.
     
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  7. blackngold75

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    It's Android TV, so you can install apps such as YTTV.
     
  8. AussieFigjam

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    Like the previous post said, you can install YTTV on the TS4K, and you can even side-load the new Google TV launcher on the TS4k (although it doesn't work perfectly). If you do that, you would end up with pretty much the Chromecast interface on the TS4K.

    I'm interested what exactly the TS4K has that Chromecast doesn't. When you say "live broadcast", are you talking about streaming a live channel from an OTT provider such as Sling or YTTV, or something else? does it happen for playback of DVRd content from those providers, or only live channels? I'm going to guess this is a limitation of the software (e.g. YTTV just doesn't do it), rather than something that is specific to the ATV hardware, especially if it basically works, but doesn't do it in some cases.
     
  9. AussieFigjam

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    Yeah, it's a YTTV limitation, see here:



    Looks like DD5.1 is coming, but no ETA, and it might already work on some on-demand content.

    @Tony1965, I'm assuming you are using some kind of cable supported app (e.g. Xfinity) to stream live content on to ATV, or some other streaming device right now, and it works with DD5.1. That being the case, looks like you are stuck with that for the time being if DD5.1 is a must-have. YTTV will install perfectly well on TS4K if you go that route, I used it for several months on TS4K before I switched to Chromecast, and it was flawless; of course it is not integrated with the "Live" features of the Tivo stream app, but it works fine if you don't care about that.

    If you are going with YTTV, then you are better off using a Chromecast anyway because on that platform it is integrated. But you won't get DD5.1 either way until YTTV eventually implements it.
     
  10. aaronwt

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    I'll need to check out YTTV again. I see they included four free months when I purchased a Tab S6 lite from Samsung a couple of weeks ago. But I think I need to redeem it from the actual tablet?
     
  11. AussieFigjam

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    Maybe, but once you redeem it and set up an account, it will work anywhere, including on ATV platforms like TS4K and Chromecast, you just need to install the app and log in.

    I really like YTTV, it has been completely flawless for me for about 3 years now, apart from one or two outages for an hour or so. I never get any pixelation or slow down, and the picture is always perfect and starts almost instantly. Having said that I have fiber Gigabit with a 4ms ping time and zero ms jitter, and I live in Silicon Valley, really close to the Google servers, so it may not be a typical example, but it does demonstrate that any issues are not down to their servers.

    YTTV is more expensive that most OTT MVPD live services, but it is still half what I was paying for Cable after adding in all the extras for broadcast taxes, a DVR unit, and more boxes for other TVs; and it has some things that are important to me; it has all the channels I want, and it has unlimited DVR capacity and unlimited simultaneous recordings (something cable could never do). Once you drink the unlimited recordings kool-aid you can never go back, it changes your whole viewing habit; I record everything I think I might have some chance of watching, including the News, just so I never have to watch a TV ad ever again, or watch anything when the broadcaster shows it.

    If you don't use lots of DVR and you don't need some of the channels, then you might consider TV Now from AT&T, their $55 package has a decent amount of DVR and a reasonable number of channels, and their service is also very reliable. Hulu + Live TV is also good, but it costs just as much as YTTV when you add in the DVR, and you don't get as much DVR. I would avoid Sling, it is definitely at the bottom of the pile (BTW: I have tried all the services over the years, and I settled on YTTV).
     
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  12. mrizzo80

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    That’s worth about $250. What do you currently use for pay TV?
     
  13. Tony1965

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    Good points from both especially side loading. When I refer to "live broadcast" i am referring to live local feeds as well as my normal cable selection, HBO, Bravo, Cinemax, etc. DD 5.1 is not implemented in any of these. I do get DD 5.1 and some Atmos content with some of the streaming apps, Netflix, HBO Max for example. Other streaming platforms such as Vudu, and Amazon don't do it. It's very frustrating as I can't make full use of my home entertainment system.
     
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    I love the unlimited DVR functionality but if we had more granular controls as to what get's recorded i.e. New episodes only, being able to delete what has been watched to clean up the interface, and not recording every time something airs, this would be the holy grail.
     
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  15. Alex_7

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    I had YouTube tv, and what I didn’t like was the UI seemed a bit cluttered and hard to maneuver around to find things I wanted to watch
     
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  16. aaronwt

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    I use a combination of FiOS Custom TV, Philo, and Hulu commercial free.
     
  17. AussieFigjam

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    Both very good points, and this is my one complaint about YTTV, you just can't delete anything, or record only new episodes, and once you get in to the "record anything that moves" habit, it's sometimes hard to find things because of the cluttered interface and lack of filtering; that's what I was hoping the new Google TV launcher would help with, and it does to an extent, but it still needs a lot of work in this area.

    I don't think I would ever go back to Cable or Satellite now, they have fleeced me for far too long for me to trust them any more, and of the OTT providers, even with its flaws, YTTV is still the best for me. What I have found is that this really comes down to channels provided and DVR capability, and basically not much else. Either the provider gives you all the channels you want or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, then it is already a non-contender; and either it gives you enough DVR or it doesn't, and if it doesn't then it is a non-contender. Unless you only watch a few channels (in which case I would advise and OTA card and Plex), there is usually only one or two providers to choose from that give you what you want. For me YTTV was the only provider that gave me all the channels my family watches, and enough DVR to keep them all happy (and the 9 months to watch it before it is deleted); but other people may have more choice based on these 2 factors.
     
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  18. AussieFigjam

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    With YTTV, you can pretty much ditch Philo unless you watch A&E a lot. Back in the early days of YTTV, when they hadn't negotiated any deals with Discovery and some other providers, I had both YTTV and Philo to give a perfect combination of channels with close to zero overlap, but after they added the channels and bumped the price, I dropped Philo; almost all the channels are now on YTTV, except for A&E, and a few others I don't care about.

    When I first switched from cable, I made a spreadsheet that listed all the channels my family watched down the side, and each of the OTT providers across the top, plus my current cable provider in the first column, and then checkmarked the box if the provider has the channel, with an extra row at the bottom for "Has DVR", and a "Total" row at the end with price (including DVR). It's a good way to see if you can give up cable or not, and how much you would save. For me, at the time, a combination of YTTV and Philo did the trick for half the price of the cable provider. "Number of TVs" is also a consideration if you are comparing against cable since they usually charge a monthly fee for each extra box.

    Edit: surprisingly (or not), we only watch about 20 channels, but in order to get them all, we had to buy almost the top cable package. Don't ya love cable companies :)
     
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  19. Alex_7

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    Harmony remote and firestick remote works on the CCGT
     
  20. Alex_7

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    Interesting to see Tmobile has entered into the tv streaming game:

    T-Mobile expands into live internet TV with new TVision streaming service

    T-Mobile Unveils Its New TVision and TVision HUB | Cord Cutters News

    They're even releasing a new android based streaming device



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    Some specs on the Hub:

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    Android TV Guide - T-Mobile - TVision HUB
     
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