Charlie Sheen reportedly wants out of 2.5 Men

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  1. Feb 5, 2011 #81 of 432
    Cearbhaill

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    Not buying it- that is classic deflection.
    There will always be a situation somewhere in the world that is more tragic, someone who was hurt more badly, or some other way a person in denial will try and minimize their transgression as it compares in "the grand scheme."
    Doesn't mean you don't need to deal with your own crap.

    Charlie lives inside a bubble- he has no comprehension of how his behavior affects other people- his children, his co-workers, and I am certain many others. All he cares about is a good time right now- not one single solitary thought enters his mind beyond that.

    I don't know what the answer is, but shutting down the show permanently so everyone can move on would be my choice.
    This repetitive stuff is ridiculous.
     
  2. Feb 5, 2011 #82 of 432
    kdmorse

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    Never said he shouldn't. It's not a justification of his behavior, it's a criticism of the public, and the media's obsession with what he does in his free time, which is over the top. There are far more important things for US to spend out time on, than obsessing over his personal life. And while his statement is certainly a deflection, it carries with it a very valid point. A lot of people are spending an awful lot of time and energy, and taking great pleasure in passing judgment over something that's, in the grand scheme of things, irrelevant and none of their concern.

    Suggesting that perhaps he should get some help with his drug addiction - Perfectly fair.

    But suggesting that the show be canceled, affecting the livelihood of everyone that works on it, under the basis of "well, his behavior may be the end of the show, and that could hurt people. So let's end the show unexpectedly now (and hurt people)"...

    Calls to can the show for the "good of everyone" is pure judgmental nonsense. It benefits nobody, not his family, not his coworkers, it just pleases the folks who take pleasure in throwing stones at others because they disagree with his behavior.

    He has a drug problem. He either gets help, or he doesn't.

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  3. Feb 5, 2011 #83 of 432
    MikeCC

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    Well, here is my nickel's worth, kd and IJustLike... (It's probably not worth THAT much either...)

    The idea that shutting down the show would be beneficial is twofold.
    • Long term stability
    • Reallocation of resources

    Long Term Stability
    Sheen is such a pusher and hooker magnet, and this issue is growing. It has cropped up in the headlines more and more, and now with greater frequency. And this behavior is only what has made it to the tabloids.

    Everyone involved with the show now has their income, and their FUTURE, attached to this irratic actor. How can anyone really plan for anything if things are dependent on someone so unreliable.

    And Sheen's irratic behavior, his unreliability, is getting worse.

    Let everyone get involved in other projects.

    Reallocation of Resources
    Just how much money is tied up in producing and bring this show on the air? How many people are involved and under contract with various parts of this process? How much time is spent dealing with Charlie Sheen and his drug problem?

    Since Sheen's behavior has already affected the financial well being of everyone involved with the show, the question now needs to be asked if this commitment of time, perople and money to this show could better be used elsewhere.

    Sheen's show still brings in terrific ad dollars, and is very profitable. But now the network is scrambling to fill the vacant broadcast slots. Production has ceased. And Sheen doesn't have a track record of truly keeping his nose out of the powder, or his emotions in check.

    I hope Charlie Sheen can really get sober and stay there. Let's hope he stops beating his wife, and choking porn stars, and tearing up hotel rooms. But I think he hasn't shown any commitment to that path yet, so I'd avoid investing in his projects for some time to come.
     
  4. Feb 5, 2011 #84 of 432
    Cearbhaill

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    Disagree- limbo is not a good place to park your financial future.
    People need to move on.
     
  5. Feb 5, 2011 #85 of 432
    MikeCC

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    Exactly.

    Everyone involved with the show should move on to other projects so Sheen can either get help or not.

    See, it's not his just truly private behavior that makes people uneasy, although when his frenzy is so manic and bizarre a porn star gets concerned, that's waaay out there. But when his private behavior makes everyone else have to change plans, rework scenes, shoot around his jail time or rehab, then it no longer is just about him, is it?

    Let's have everyone disengage form this show, and move on. That way Charlie can get help, or spiral downward, with little consequence to anyone but himself.
     
  6. Feb 5, 2011 #86 of 432
    MNoelH

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    That just made me chuckle. As if it would be more difficult for a porn star to be concerned about his behavior than any other person.
     
  7. Feb 5, 2011 #87 of 432
    IJustLikeTivo

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    No consequence except an exceptional number of people without work. Not sure the exact numbers but something over 100 people are needed to make a 1/2 hour show. That, my friend, is a buttload of consequence. Way cheaper and more effective to get one person help than 100.
     
  8. Feb 5, 2011 #88 of 432
    MikeCC

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    You might have missed this:
    Right now everyone is dealing with Charlie's behavior already. They need a chance to move on, to end their commitment to this show. As it stands now, Sheen appears either too selfish or too self-destuctive to base an entire show around.

    Obviously, you disagree. And so far, so do some of the Hollywood suits. But when business publications start analyzing the impact to CBS and to the production company, you know concerns are being raised. When stories pop up about the grumbling of others on the set because their livelihoods are being disrupted RIGHT NOW because of Sheen, you can bet there's trouble. It just doesn't look good.

    Porn star Kaycee Jordan was reportedly one of several there during Sheen's latest bender and supposedly said that she was worried that his drug use and behavior was way too extreme. My point was that when stars from the porn industry party, and really let loose, it is generally more outrageous than something you or I might throw. So if they are worried, what the hell was Sheen doing??
     
  9. Feb 6, 2011 #89 of 432
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    I don't dispute that they have to deal with it but they are still being paid while that happens. Whatever issues he is having are still in the realm of things that can be dealt with economically for the show without them all being out of work. When that isn't the case they'll kill off the show. Until then it makes no sense to kill off all the jobs.
     
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    Cearbhaill

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    I get the point about "right now", but if I was in the position of "you have a job right now, but it might end next week or the week after that or next month- we have no clue, when we know you'll know" I would prefer they call it so I could move on.
    You know it is going to end abruptly- how that is better than a definitive closure/ending beats me, but I guess some people want to hang on until the bitter end and go down with the ship.
    Hell, maybe they're all planning on writing a book and need the last chapter.

    I would certainly be actively searching for something else- and aggressively at that.
     
  11. Feb 6, 2011 #91 of 432
    MikeCC

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    Who is being paid? Do you know for a fact that everyone is still getting compensted? Reports have surfaced that the crew may not be receiving any paychecks. And everyone gets paid PER EPISODE, so if this year the number is trimmed back, then so too is everyone's income.

    E! OnLine Reports and TMZ news indicate grumbling on the Sheen set

    Even if everyone gets paid for being idle during this Sheen-caused downtime, where is that money coming from? Unless it's from Charlie himself, all those funds could be used to invest elsewhere, in another project that isn't dependent on an unreliable star.

    This is totally unproductive time, for everyone. In an industry where time is truly astronomically expensive, this incident and the downtime is raising eyebrows of bean counters all 'round LA.
     
  12. Feb 6, 2011 #92 of 432
    Cearbhaill

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    Either a post went missing or I'm losing it...
     
  13. Feb 11, 2011 #93 of 432
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    They deleted a post I made.
     
  14. Feb 11, 2011 #94 of 432
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    It was in the news in the past few days that Sheen has volunteered to pay 1/3 of the crew's salary if [production company] and CBS each take another third.

    While that's more generous than some people would do, since it's all Sheen's fault that they're out of work, he should pay it all, IMHO. (Didn't Letterman pay some people while they were on strike???)
     
  15. Feb 12, 2011 #95 of 432
    MikeCC

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    My point exactly.

    The cost of this production delay should be born by the responsible party, the only party capable of avoiding the causes of this down-time.

    Maybe were Charlie to have a VERY significant financial consequence, he might be less likely to suffer some sort of outburst or bender which might risk further expensive delays. At the very least, he would certainly have a reason to avoid situations likely to trigger his emotional and/or pharmaceutical responses.

    And then we would be able to see uninterrupted episodes of the supposedly fictional whore-mongering, intoxicated, completely self-absorbed Charlie Harper, instead of reading about it in entertainment and business publications.
     
  16. Feb 12, 2011 #96 of 432
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    FYP to refelect your actual opinion.
     
  17. Feb 12, 2011 #97 of 432
    scandia101

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    Yes, but that frees them up to go look for work on another show. Finding new jobs when a show ends is the nature of the business they chose to work in.
     
  18. Feb 12, 2011 #98 of 432
    IJustLikeTivo

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    No, now it reflects YOUR opinion. Please leave my posts alone.
     
  19. Feb 12, 2011 #99 of 432
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    Right. Cause everyone is desperate to leave the prize cash cow of the network to take a gamble on a pilot. It's normal to leave a show when it's not successful and is canceled, not when it is a hit.
     
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    Yeah it is not really that fair, because people in TV likely are always on edge never able to plan, but you get on a hit show that is signed for multiple year deals, you get that rare opportunity to maybe make some big life decisions because you have some stability that might make things possible.

    That being said, Sheen has issues and needs help. Worrying about how the crew is getting paid right now is something he simply should not be dealing with... The producers and the network need to solve that problem for now... Sheen is in no position to be involved in that, and it is likely seriously counter productive to involve him.

    For his own health it might be in his best interest to just quit the show entirely. If he did that, would he be on the hook for paying everyone for two years? No...
     

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