Actually it is in less that 1% of my 600+ posts and I only use it to put a frame of reference on my discussion to help explain my position. It is NOT A BRAG, in fact, it shows my age, and in today's world in the technology field having that many years of experience is actually looked down on. Believe me, people believe that you cannot know what their 18 year old nephew can know about computers, of course until their 18 year old nephew screws up, but then again that is another story. I can guarantee you that I am not as good at GUI interfaces as some of the younger developers, but then again thank God that I dont have to compete in that marketplace. Where my knowledge actually helps, is in using COMMON SENSE in trouble shooting, equipment selection, and in depth application and systems knowledge. But I CANNOT compete in the GUI development area, in addition SQL development came very late in my career, so I am somewhat behind long term SQL developers.