CES 2006: DirecTV Plus HD DVR with pics!!!

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by lee espinoza, Jan 5, 2006.

  1. Jan 6, 2006 #21 of 115
    tbeckner

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    Who said you should be depressed, I didn't!

    What I was pointing out that even though in the past I was an early adopter (Betamax in 1976 before VHS), I cannot find any compelling reason to invest in HD while there is so very little HD equipment delivered and what equipment that is being marketed is changing so rapidly that it makes little sense to buy.

    Look at the DirecTV TiVo HD users who likely have to purchase a replacement DVR in the next year, after paying $1000 just a year ago. The same goes for Plasma TV users who likely had no idea that the lifespan of a Plasma Tv was not much more than three years.

    By 2009 (in 3 years), there should be a wealth of HD equipment and the standard should be a little more stabilized, since that will be a far larger percentage of delivered and deployed HD equipment.

    Don’t get depressed because your TV cannot do 1080p.

    You realize that 56% of current HD users don’t even watch HD content on their units (New York Times article this morning), and that the HD channels deliver less than 50% of actual HD content (a lot of delivered HD content is up converted SD content), that for me it just doesn’t make sense to spend the money to only watch some of my investment be devalued by huge decreases in pricing, large changes in the performance of the equipment, and changes made to the HD standard that might require the purchase or re-purchase for upgrades. And then after all of that you realize that less than 25% of the content I currently watch will not be broadcasted in native a HD format for very many years.
     
  2. Jan 6, 2006 #22 of 115
    Mark W

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    I wonder if this one has a Native format output that the HDTivo lacks? The pricing information is certainly good news... until they spring on us that it requires a 4 year commitment :)
     
  3. Jan 6, 2006 #23 of 115
    Oknarf

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    That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

    Bite me D*!
     
  4. Jan 6, 2006 #24 of 115
    Lee L

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    This is absolute BS. All of the early adopters had no reason at all to think this unit would be made obsolete as there was no talk of MPEG 4 or the new HD strategy for several months after this thing was available, not to mention the several months/years before it was available that people were waiting for it.

    Even people who buy it now, unless they are on this or one of a few other internet boards have no reason to know it is obsolete even now.

    I just have to wonder if this is the press just lapping up the D* press release without actual research or knowlege or if they are just stupid.



    Now, the pice points they are talking are attractive, but the Series 3 sure looks good as well.
     
  5. Jan 6, 2006 #25 of 115
    emeril2k1

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    "The unit videophile DVR owners have been waiting for." :rolleyes:



    The unit we've been waiting for is sitting in the TIVO booth at CES, the Series 3. :D
     
  6. Jan 6, 2006 #26 of 115
    stevel

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    The text of the article sounds as if it were written by Rupert himself. The only reason we don't have all the nifty TiVo networking features is that Rupert didn't want us to have them.

    I must say that it will be interesting to see how this plays out. The new Series 3 looks like a dynamite box, and TiVo's networking features are an attraction. What will D* counter with?
     
  7. Jan 6, 2006 #27 of 115
    ebonovic

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    Nice...... But... Discussion of this unit should be moved to... www.dbstalk.com

    :D
     
  8. Jan 6, 2006 #28 of 115
    Billy66

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    Also, the quote concerning obsolescence is incorrect because it doesn't make the current units obsolete any more than the series 2 made series one units obsolete (I mean SA units). Sure there were features that S2 users could get that the S1 users couldn't, but it surely didn't make the S1's obsolete.

    Those enjoying their HR10-250's can still use them the exact same way and although there may be a choice to upgrade, there will not be a requirement.

    Concerning the HDMI ports, I wouldn't worry about that. They work on the newer units now and this unit's hardware platform wasn't designed by the garage hacks at TiVo. The software may be inferior, but the hardware is likely to be much more reliable initially. Having said that, HW can only perform as well as the SW directs it.

    tbeckner, you're funny. You continually speak about the CC TiVo that has been promised for an eternity as if it's a sure thing and now you want to claim that this unit is Vaporware. You can only use that logic one way, not both. If CES announcements and demos hold little meaning, the same is true for the CCTiVo. I think they'll both make it this spring and will likely be released within 45 days of one another.
     
  9. Jan 6, 2006 #29 of 115
    SpacemanSpiff

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    Thwack!
     
  10. Jan 6, 2006 #30 of 115
    ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    [DUCK]
     
  11. Jan 6, 2006 #31 of 115
    flmgrip

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    so the computer you bought half a year ago is still top of the line ?

    who says so. nobody knows when there will be a MPEG4 rollout worthwhile getting the new tivo. there is a good chance that the existing HD channels will stay MPEG2 for quite a while. and before i get an MPEG4, i want to see content. more than the big 4, which right now i can get OTA and via D*

    you wait till 09, but i want to watch HD now. and my "obsolete" HDTV i bought 2 years ago (As an early adopter) will be at the end of it's natural cycle anyway.

    and the 10-250 is anything but obsolete. it will work in five years from now or i will be able to swap it for free or close to free.
     
  12. Jan 6, 2006 #32 of 115
    flmgrip

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    oh you mean just as quickly as they started broadcasting 720p format ? :rolleyes: right now these "quick" broadcaster are only broadcasting about 10% in 720p... so i am sure 1080p will be widley avaible by next x-mas... not
     
  13. Jan 6, 2006 #33 of 115
    emeril2k1

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    In his defense, the Series 3 looks much closer to a ready to Manufacture unit than the HR20 does.

    Or is that just the quality we can expect from NDS or whoever builds those generic PVRs?
     
  14. Jan 6, 2006 #34 of 115
    ebonovic

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    Series 3 looks "closer" to manufacture then then the HR20...

    We have been hearing specks for the HR20 for months.

    Now that there has been an actual product shown in usage.


    I will place a bet right here, right now... that HR20 will be out before the Series 3 TiVo.

    Note: Also... The Series 3 TiVo relies on one VERY important piece..... The CableCards...
    What if the Series 3 is ready, but the CableCards are not by the major Cable companies?
     
  15. Jan 6, 2006 #35 of 115
    tivoupgrade

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    Oh really, Matt?

    I'm sure the TiVo folks would be happy to know that you are further confusing the marketplace by describing a DirecTV Plus box as a "TiVo with impressive new features."

    This is no more the unit videophile DVR owners have been waiting for than it is a TiVo.

    Hey wait a minute, is this even posted in the right forum?
     
  16. Jan 6, 2006 #36 of 115
    minorthr

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    I could be mistaken but haven't cable cards been available for months. The Series 3 is designed to take 2 of the current generation cards to give you dual tuners or one of the new 2.0 multi stream that are not out yet to give you dual tuners.
     
  17. Jan 6, 2006 #37 of 115
    ebonovic

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    "Available" for months probably be... but the question will be... What is the TRUE availability from your Cable-Co's... Doing a quick gander on Comcast's Site...

    There hasn't been "that" many Cable-Card ready devices (maybe TV's) out there up till this one now. (there have been some).

    My feeling is that we are going to start to find that some cable companies are going to start to resist it anyway they can, as they are going to lose that $10 a month rental per box that they have tried so hard for the last 15 years to get back.
     
  18. Jan 6, 2006 #38 of 115
    ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    Tinley...

    Just like every other Vendor out there....
    Get our DVR... Just like TiVo... but better (that is nearly every advertisement I hear now adays).

    The Word TiVo is the new "Xerox" or "Klenex" or "RollerBlade"

    As for the Right forum... You are correct.

    www.dbstalk.com please
     
  19. Jan 6, 2006 #39 of 115
    Billy Bob Boy

    Billy Bob Boy What Me Worry???????

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    Planned obsolesecnce is a fact of the times. Right now they have mpeg 5 and 6 waiting untill they sell enough of the hr20's Than they release the Hr30 and 40 for only a 100 buck upgrade. I am happy with my 32 inch sony sd and will be so untill ALL the channels are HD and the lcd tvs are 500 and the lateset hd dvrs are free with rebate. I was fooled into buying tivo at the beggining for 600 dollars and all the claims of recording 5 shows at once(Acording to circuit city employees 5 years ago) Like the "Who" song "I wont be fooled again!" Like a previous poster said Lets see where this magilla is at in 2009!
     
  20. Jan 6, 2006 #40 of 115
    Kanyon71

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    Not trying to pick here but are you still using BetaMax and an 8086? Technology is an ever changing thing. you buy something and something better will come out. 1080P? Who is to say that they won't have some Enhanced version of it 6mos later?

    Things will always continue to get better, you need to decide is whats out there good enough for me or do I need to wait. Heck you a PC now and it's outdated the week you get it home, yet this doesn't stop people from buying them. It's not whats the best it's whats good enough for us.
     

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