Catching Hell : ESPN Films

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by scottjf8, Sep 28, 2011.

  1. scottjf8

    scottjf8 That A-hole

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    No thread yet, anyone watch this?

    I found it really fascinating... first, the comparisons to Buckner were interesting, but I'm not sure I buy it since one guy is a player in the big game and the other did what any of us would do when a foul ball is coming your way.

    I liked the interviews and graphics showing where everybody was, and the "new" videos that were never shown before.

    However, about halfway I realized that Bartman wasn't gonna be in this, and that was a huge letdown for me. I felt the show needed him to talk. That would have made a HUGE impact in the show.

    So I gave it about a B-. The content was great, but they needed to figure out a way to interview the man himself.

    Maybe one day we'll actually hear from him.
     
  2. JFriday

    JFriday "Just The Facts"

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    I liked it too and was disappointed Bartman wasn't interviewed. (They could have at least interviewed Captain Janks lol). I liked how they showed the play with everyone removed from the stands.

    It's really funny how in both cases Stanley and Gonzalez get passes and are largely forgotten. Just a twist of fate, like the guy sitting 2 seats away that makes 100k while Bartman's life is forever changed.
     
  3. CatScratchFever

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    I don't really think that's true, I think many fans would go out of their way not to mess up a play.
     
  4. scottjf8

    scottjf8 That A-hole

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    The ball was coming right at him... it's not like he reached WAY over the edge to get in Alou's way.
     
  5. CatScratchFever

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    I've seen it a bunch of times, I lived in Chicago when it happened. I stand by my comments.
     
  6. JFriday

    JFriday "Just The Facts"

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    I thought it was dumb that fan said when a player is going into the stands you get out of the way. The guy was sitting 10 feet above the ground, no player was going into the stands. I agree with the girl when a ball is hit in the stands you do one of 3 things. Try to catch it, try not to get hit by it or try not to get trampled by the people trying to get it.
     
  7. jsmeeker

    jsmeeker Notable Member TCF Club

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    Maybe he didn't want to be interviewed?


    I haven't seen it yet, so I'm not sure if the address this or not.
     
  8. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    The guy had to go into hiding -- death threats, etc. And I am NOT kidding...
     
  9. JFriday

    JFriday "Just The Facts"

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    Definetly. I don't beleive he's ever given an interview about it. Unless you count Captain Jank's interview on ESPN.
     
  10. scottjf8

    scottjf8 That A-hole

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    Right, they talk about how he never has done a single interview about it. One espn.com guy even talked about stalking him at his job and jumping out of his car to get to Bartman as he left work one day. He didn't grant him an interview though.
     
  11. flyers088

    flyers088 tcf junior member

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    Interesting hearing Buster Olney talk about this today. He basically said it is a crime how the Chicago media made this a larger story then it needed to be. Printing the guys name and where he lived crossed the line in his opinion. He also pointed out how everyone seems to give the Cubs a pass when they had chances to win and were up 2 runs in game 7 with Kerry Wood on the mound.
     
  12. zuko3984

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    So many cubs fans who want to blame Bartman forget that even if Alou was able to catch the ball it would have only been the second out. They also forget that the cubs didn't just give up the lead they collapsed and gave up eight runs in that inning. They also seem to forget that even with that loss they still had a game the next day that the cubs had a lead in and blew it.
    Just like Boston fans who blame Buckner forget that even if he made that play the game would have been tied and went to the next inning. They forget about Stanley throwing the wild pitch that actually tied the game. and they forget about game 7 where Boston blew a 3 run lead.
     
  13. Odds Bodkins

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    Garbage movie-making. 30 minutes of ESPN cramming more Boston/East Coast pap down our collective throats. Interviewing some faux minster about scapegoatism. Really?

    I turned this off when the director actually suggested that because Bartman was seen waving at the cameras earlier in the game, he so wanted to be in the spotlight that he invited the God's to do something horrible to him.

    All that and way too much of that bonehead David Kaplan. Just atrocious filler for a movie that shouldn't have been made in the first place without an interview from Bartman.
     
  14. markz

    markz Well-Known Member

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    Is this playing again? I'd like to check it out.
     
  15. fmowry

    fmowry Well-Known Member

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    I think it moved to ECL (ESPN classic) if you get that.
     
  16. JFriday

    JFriday "Just The Facts"

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    That was quite a stretch, I liked how they froze the shot with his hand up but never really showed him waving. It's not like he was behind homeplate with a john 3:16 sign and a rainbow wig.
     
  17. Bierboy

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    It's on ESPN2 tonight at 10 (CDT)...
     
  18. Carlucci

    Carlucci Hiding The Decline

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    Also available here:

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZbkDwk_-aE[/media]
     
  19. markz

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    Connersville...
    Thanks!
     
  20. grant33

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    You can listen to a podcast with the director (http://www.grantland.com/podcasts/_/page/2#). He says that he wanted to get Bartman, but couldn't. The guy has gone into hiding. Wouldn't you with the way the fans and media treated him? I thought it was a very good movie. It was interesting to see all of the different angles. I also was fascinated by how rabid the fans got and how fast it happened. I mean, it's one thing to be upset about your team losing, but some of those people lost their minds. During the footage of Bartman being escorted out you can hear someone say "Put a 12 gauge in your mouth and pull the trigger". That's a horrible thing to say to someone for any reason, much less a baseball game. Like most people, I had forgotten that the Cubs were up 3 games to 1. They got shut out in game 5. The Bartman game was only game 6. They blew a 3 run lead and gave up 8 runs after that play. Bartman is the ultimate scapegoat. I had also forgotten about Gonzalez' error. I thought the movie did a great job of illustrating that the game didn't hinge on the Bartman play as most people seem to believe. I mean, that play didn't even score any runs. It's not like it was a grand slam that could have been an out.
     

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