Captioning censored on AMC (but shows aren't)

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  1. Aug 1, 2010 #1 of 21
    astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Raconteur TCF Club

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    Watching the premier of Mad Men last week, I noticed a couple of times when a character said "damn", but the closed captioning said "d@@@". Happened at least twice.

    Tonight I'm watching the first two episodes of Rubicon, and there is a 'damn' and a 'sh1t' spoken, but the captions were 'd@@@' and 's@@@'.

    So either AMC is censoring the captions, or the captioner is. I doubt AMC is, since the words themselves are being spoken and heard. That leads me to believe whoever is doing the captioning is censoring the dialog for me. I find this highly offensive, and troubling. Either give me the dialog as it's spoken, or let someone else do the captioning. But don't let your personal feelings decide what I get to see. If they beep the spoken word, you can beep the captions. If they say it, you have to type it.

    Perhaps I'm wrong, and there is some legit reason for this. I will be calling AMC tomorrow to see if I can talk to someone about this.
     
  2. Aug 1, 2010 #2 of 21
    phox_mulder

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    AMC does this with Breaking Bad as well.

    Audio is not bleeped, but captions are.

    Well, the really bad words are bleeped and caption edited,
    but the lesser of the bad 7 aren't bleeped but still edited captions.


    phox
     
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    Bierboy

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    Been brought up on these boards several times before.
     
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    cheesesteak

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    aaronw

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    Apropos of nothing (and I know I'm threadjacking big time), but my favorite 'huh' moment for censoring was on the "clean" XM comedy station a couple of years ago, and they played the chris rock bit about getting one's salad tossed. Naturally, they did bleep out "*******", etc., whatever other "dirty" terms were used. However, the truly bizzare part was that they bleeped out either "salad" or "toss" (I forget which). How in the world would someone know that that phrase is "dirty" unless they had heard the routine before??!! It always stumped me.
     
  6. Aug 2, 2010 #6 of 21
    astrohip

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    Thanks for the link to the Breaking Bad thread. I don't watch that show (have all 33 of them on the TiVo, one of these days...), but do remember reading that thread. And reread it, just now.

    I'm going to write AMC and the producers, and see what kind of answer I get. I find it unacceptable that the typed word is censored, but the spoken word is not.
     
  7. Aug 2, 2010 #7 of 21
    astrohip

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    Ok, just sent snail mail to AMC, and an email to AMC & Lionsgate (producer of Mad Men). Had to resend the email to AMC, after a little tweaking, as the first one came back as "rejected due to inappropriate language". :D
     
  8. Aug 2, 2010 #8 of 21
    jsmeeker

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    That right there ought to tell you something. :D
     
  9. Aug 2, 2010 #9 of 21
    taronga

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    I saw this same thing on another show that I watched recently - think it was The Glades on USA.
     
  10. astrohip

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    I watch a few USA shows, and I'm trying to recall if there is any profanity. I'm pretty sure White Collar & Covert Affairs are 'clean'. Have to think about what else I watch on that network . . .
     
  11. TiVo'Brien

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    I think Trainman is to blame. ;)
     
  12. trainman

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    Go read Cheesesteak's thread.
     
  13. mattack

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    I didn't read the other thread, maybe I commented in there too.. I saw the opposite happening in the past week or so. I *think* it was on an episode of "My Life on the D-List". It was for what I'd call "second tier" bad words. I think it was 'ass', actually (though I think she also said a-hole, and that was bleeped in both audio and captions). They bleeped the sound, but it was in the captions.

    I'm fairly certain I've seen the same thing happen on broadcast channels too.
     
  14. jcondon

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    Doesn't the CC system allow for multiple captions? Couldn't the first one be the edited version and the second the unedited version? Maybe the additional costs of having two sets of captions is too high for this to be reality?

    Seems like this would be a decent solution. Makes those who are offended by bad words not have to see them but, allows the rest of us to chose to see them if we want.

    For the record I only use captions (when available) on video games. And on occasion I have used it to figure out what someone said when the voice dialog is too low.
     
  15. astrohip

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    To me, captions should match dialog. I understand what you're saying, but if you watch a show that says <curse word>, then the captions should show it. And if the show <beeps> out the audio, the captions should show <beep>. And if you're offended, don't watch those shows.

    I watch "Warren the Ape" on MTV. Warren's got a mouth that would shame a sailor. Being MTV, they have to <beep><beep><beep> all the time. And the captions reflect that.

    But AMC allows for d*mn and other milder curse words to be said. So show me the words on my captions!:mad:
     
  16. jcondon

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    Yeah the lack of consistency makes no sense. If I can hear the word you should be able to read the word.
     
  17. cheesesteak

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    I can understand making clean captions available. They just shouldn't be the default closed caption setting. I should have to select CC2 (or something like that) for clean captions.
     
  18. tewcewl

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    I agree. I've noticed this behavior. It's even stranger when you consider Breaking Bad's first season was fine.
     
  19. sieglinde

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    I have always wondered why I need protection from language that I hear in normal conversation such as damn etc. The stuff should not be censored at all.
     
  20. megory

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    Hah. Be careful. The censors might make sure both are censored.

    I agree with you, I hate the bleeping in either CC or audio. And making a sound is silly to me, because it draws such attention to the words being bleeped. Of course, then I rewind to figure out what they said.
     

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