Can they disable all TiVos one day?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dougtv, Oct 14, 2020.

  1. Dec 8, 2020 #81 of 100

    ufo4sale Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Gilbert Arizona


    In my alternate universe TiVo is the number one company in the world. What they should have done is come up with an original reality show, exclusive to TiVo, depicting someones life from birth till when the show reaches its enviable conclusion. just imagine how much money TiVo would generate. Like the movie "Truman Show." Instead of cameras all over the place you instead put a chip in someones head and you can be fully immerse in the child's life in terms of hearing and vision.

    I digress. I guess the world is not ready for a visionary like me.:(
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  2. Dec 8, 2020 #82 of 100

    CommunityMember Active Member

    May 22, 2020
    I believe that show sort of exists, playing out right here on the community. Starting with the birth of TiVo, with the joys, the various ups and downs, and now watching the stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression) before the enviable conclusion of the death of the consumer TiVo, while at the same time we are able to celebrate the next generation(s) of MSO solutions, and streaming sticks.

    But, I too, digress....
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  3. Dec 9, 2020 #83 of 100

    tommage1 Well-Known Member

    Nov 5, 2008
    Yep, for me a Tivo is a DVR, that is what I like. Hopefully they stick around a few more years, DVR wise.
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  4. Dec 9, 2020 #84 of 100

    tommage1 Well-Known Member

    Nov 5, 2008
    Yes they are (days numbered). I do feel sad though, I don't really look at those horrible pre-rolls as betrayal, I look at it as a company whose product is becoming obsolete due to technology changes and tries whatever they can to stick around a bit longer (Rovi comes to mind also, that was the biggest step backwards I can remember, but necessary for survival?) I still prefer my TE3 but run a device on TE4 to get used to it. Am not really sure why they screwed up direct transfers to TE4, either from another Tivo or computer (can use Tivo online for between Tivos at least.) Would not think that would make them more money which is the point now, stay in business.
  5. Dec 9, 2020 #85 of 100

    tommage1 Well-Known Member

    Nov 5, 2008


    Yup, OTA DVR is great for those close enough to OTA broadcasts. No broadband needed (except to connect to guide service). No cable bills. As long as Tivo stays in business and continues to provide the guide, dirt cheap. Heck can get lifetime Roamios/Bolts with OTA for under $250, maybe under $200 (being a "tinkerer" I prefer Roamios, 3.5 drive and can swap drives around without losing everything.) Broadcasters have to support ATSC 1 for at least 5 years after official implementation of ATSC 3.0. So for me Tivo being used OTA is the best and cheapest solution. I will say I am around Chicago so get a lot of stations including stations that broadcast loads of classic shows and movies ;)
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  6. Dec 9, 2020 #86 of 100

    MrDell Active Member

    Jul 8, 2012
    Rhode Island
    I am leaning towards OTA also... once my contract expires with Verizon Fios. I am in a very good area for reception so my existing TiVo setup should be just fine. We have been watching mostly OTA and doing a lot of streaming with our Apple TV and really not watching the endless list of cable channels. I am a news junkie though and do watch the cable news stations. Have to find a way to fill that void.
  7. Dec 9, 2020 #87 of 100

    warrenn Well-Known Member

    Jun 24, 2004
    I think a Tivo OTA is the best OTA solution. It's probably the most expensive OTA DVR, but there are features and usability aspects that aren't found in the cheaper alternatives.

    If you go OTA, you can still get some cable-like programming for free over streaming. Sometimes it's the same channels as cable, sometimes they are different. Look into these:

    - CBS News, NBC News: Free streaming news
    - PlutoTV: A streaming service that combines several streaming channels into a cable-like guide. They have channels for entertainment, lifestyle, news, etc.

    Unfortunately, you'll likely need to get a dedicated streaming device to watch some of these apps rather than use the Tivo. Many of the streaming apps will not have Tivo support.
  8. Dec 9, 2020 #88 of 100

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

    Apr 2, 2005
    I would have watched a reality show based on Tivo the business. Starring the various CEOs and Tivo Margaret and Tivo Ted. By now we would have many seasons depicting the story rise and fall of Tivo.
  9. Dec 10, 2020 #89 of 100

    bkc56 Designated Grunt

    Apr 29, 2001
    Santa Rosa,...
    I'll de-lurk for a moment to toss out a few of my own observations on life, the universe, and everything Tivo.
    • Beyond the initial purchase, we've paid nothing for Tivo for 20 years (the one exception being when they killed S1 and we had to buy a couple bolts and transfer our lifetime service).
    • If Comcast ever drops Tivo (cable cards) I suspect we'll drop them (internet only). The savings could be used for streaming service(s).
    • I find the convenience of watching a show on Tivo and Netflix to be roughly equivalent (once you've added the show to your favorites on Netflix). I haven't counted button-presses, but the perceived effort is about the same.
    • Skipping ads on Tivo (compared to no ads streaming) isn't really significant to me. But then 20 years of Tivo, and another 15 years of DVR time-shifting before that, has made skipping ads pretty automatic.
    • There's less and less network content I care to record/watch every year. At this rate, my season pass list could be empty in a few more years.
    • I'll really miss Tivo if it goes away or Comcast kills it for me. It's been a fabulous run.
  10. Dec 10, 2020 #90 of 100

    wizwor Guest

    Dec 17, 2013
    I agree. Despite having a Channel Master DVR+, a Sling TV DVR, and an Amazon Recast, I prefer the TiVo.

    Pluto is a good call. Here are some others...
    • Roku Channel
    • Sling TV ad supported programming
    • Tubi
    • Amazon ad supported programming
    • Vudu
    • Crackle
    • IMDb TV
    • Popcornflix
    Also, YouTube (not YT TV). I like the Roku channel. Vudu and Amazon are very good. All are worth a look.

    In my experience, the Roamio/OTA is not a good streaming device. I have four Roku TVs and every tv in my home has a FireTV Stick installed.
  11. Dec 10, 2020 #91 of 100

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2008
    I tried youtube last week on my Roamio OTA and it was very responsive. Much better than I thought it would be.
  12. Dec 11, 2020 #92 of 100

    caseybea Member

    Oct 14, 2010
    I admit I haven't paid much attention to the tivo market lately. I have a Tivo Bolt OTA (love it) and a matching MINI VOX for my basement tv, which I got last year. It just "works", so long as I stay away from HYDRA...........

    Anyway, I just got a call from my Aunt (I'm her default technical support)-- and she has a really old Tivo Premiere that she's still using, and I helped her set it up YEARS ago. Apprarently, according to her it's making "BAD NOISES", so I assume the internal fan is going byebye. The hard drive is probably not far behind... She's limited by the 2 tuners it has, and wants something better. That is, she'd rather just get more tuners and not have me try to fix the Premiere.

    So, off to the tivo site I go and.. WTF? Bolts- gone. And the only OTA tuner they have has... only 2 tuners?? OUCH. What. The. Hell.

    Needless to say, I'm going to buy her a refurbished ROAMIO with 4 tuners and 1TB drive and she should be good to go.

    If the super limited EDGE is all they're offering these days, clearly TIVO's days are numbered more than I ever thought before. Ugh.
  13. Dec 12, 2020 #93 of 100

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

    Nov 9, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    You came to the right conclusion: a used/refurbished Roamio is the way to go.
  14. Dec 20, 2020 #94 of 100

    vcudnik New Member

    Sep 8, 2006
    Cox is trying to kill the TiVo.

    They are changing their broadcast format to all mpeg4 format over the next 4 months; if your cable card isn't compatible you're supposed to contact them. (I checked one of my cable cards and it worked.)

    I got on chat with Cox the other day because my #*%& bill went up AGAIN. After reviewing several options and getting specific prices I dropped premium channels and movie pak (all reruns these days); I can get starz for $6 a month, and it's the only one we've been watching. The next day my new updated bill has the new lower price with a notation that my bill will be going up $53 next month, as my "bundle" is no longer active. Of course that was why I asked for specific prices. Idiots. So I called and they claim they don't have any bundles available for me because I use cable cards and not their damn Contour boxes.

    Personally I'd nix all the TV service, I watch about 5 shows regularly. But hubby lives for TV (mostly watches the same shows/movies over and over again). He stopped watching the "news" on election day. LOL.

    I've been using TiVos for 20 years, one with a lifetime (transferred twice), hubby's is paid annually. We have two mini VOXes for hubby. I love my TiVos but really think the cable companies are going to force us to give them up. That makes me sad.

    I'd dump Cox in a split second if I had another option for just internet. I'm not even in a 5g zone. *sigh*
  15. Dec 20, 2020 #95 of 100

    wizwor Guest

    Dec 17, 2013
    OTA and Satellite do not require high speed internet. Maybe you could get by without Cox and use your phone/tablet/phablet for the rest?
  16. Dec 20, 2020 #96 of 100

    vcudnik New Member

    Sep 8, 2006
    Alas, I build websites for a living, so I pretty much require high speed internet to work. At least another decade before I retire. OTOH, hubby *is* retiring in the spring, and we're likely to leave this area.
  17. Dec 20, 2020 #97 of 100

    wizwor Guest

    Dec 17, 2013
    I'm sixteen months from pension eligibility. I can't believe how much less I use the internet today than I did just five years ago. Right now, I am paying $47.36 for high speed internet. By the time that promotion expires, I may well go the consumer cellular route. 90% of my tv is via antenna. No reason it could not be 100%. My only concern is getting updates to my TiVos. Frankly, that is not much of a concern these days.
  18. Dec 22, 2020 #98 of 100

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    Tivos support mp4 just fine and it has nothing to do with cards. Cox may not want to support cards but mp4 conversion is irrelevant.
  19. Dec 24, 2020 #99 of 100

    MannyE Dalek Sec

    Dec 7, 2001
    I just bought a "new" Tivo OTA Roamio from Weaknees and I was very disappointed to see the Edge. I haven't been on the Tivo website in ages and it looks like many of the high end audiophile websites looked like in the early 2000's when they were all on the way out. Looks like "edge" is the correct name for a service that is on it.

    TWO tuners? They should be featuring 6 by now. Hopefully the Roamio will last a few more years or until Fire TV matures enough.
  20. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2008
    Most other competitors like Amazon, Tablo and HD Homerun off a dual tuner DVR. The trouble with Tivo is that you're locked in to their substandard streaming app ecosystem while the competitors integrate their DVRs with streaming devices with full throated apps.

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