Can I supply my own cable card?

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  1. mimregi

    mimregi New Member

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    I am with Optimum (cable vision/ altice) in central NJ- I see cable cards on eBay and elsewhere, do I not need one from the cable company? Is it like a cable modem? Any advantage to BYO?
     
  2. compnurd

    compnurd Well-Known Member

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    Yes if you can find one that was activated on your system
     
  3. mimregi

    mimregi New Member

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    Meaning it would have to be one that optimum supplied originally?
     
  4. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    Most cable companies do not allow you to use your own CableCARD. I think there were a few smaller cable companies that did, but as far as I know the major cable companies never have.
     
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  5. skypros

    skypros Ex satellite dealer

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    I purchased the exact model # of our Cable Co's card...... When I came back to cable I asked if I could use my card (saving $2.95 mo...... what a RIP!!) Cable Co said NO, I asked Support, CSR and the Tech...... they all said NO!!
     
  6. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    Quelle surprise.
     
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  7. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    Well, it is entirely possible that card is stolen property. A few cablecos used to sell them, but most make you rent them. So, odds are the card was either never returned or came from a retail box.
     
  8. Patrick2050

    Patrick2050 New Member

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    When I moved my cable cards were packed up, so I ended up paying about $30 each. If I moved back into the service area, I wonder if I could use them, or possibly legitimately sell/give them to another to use--although 'never returned' I paid for them.
     
  9. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    Yep. Have never heard of consumers buying CableCARDs or being able to use one they own/provide.

    It's just like cable boxes in the US. You've always had to rent/use one the cable co provides, at least in the US.

    I've heard of being able buy cable boxes and use them legitimately in some other countries (Canada?) but certainly not in the US. I'd imagine the concern is that it's been tampered with and may be used to pirate or steal service.
     
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  10. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    not recently, but years decades ago, i've personally known both (now defunct) viacom cable and comcast to sell retail set-top cable boxes for use with their systems, at ridiculously inflated prices, for example: $600 for a scientific atlanta non-dvr set-top box in the mid 90's. while they claimed to offer the retail equipment, they purposefully set the prices so high as to push customers to rent.
     
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  11. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    I have a similar scenario and my cards will work on non-protected channels, but as far as the provider is concerned they won't pair it anymore since it was removed from their internal systems.
     
  12. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    It has been reported that a few smaller companies sold/sell canblecards. None of the biggies.
     
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  13. Diana Collins

    Diana Collins Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Cablecards perform two functions in a TiVo. The first is to provide the mapping of channels to QAM frequencies. That is how the device knows, for example, that A&E is channel XXX in your system.

    The other is decryption of encrypted channels. This is the function that requires pairing of the card with the TiVo.

    So, a purchased card MAY be able to do the first function without pairing, but you will not be able to receive anything but clear QAM channels. Since few if any cable companies will pair a user supplied card, and only a few channels are clear QAM on some systems, the odds are such a card is mostly good as a book mark. :)
     
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  14. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    Technically, a CableCARD performs 3 functions: channel mapping, decryption, and conditional access.
     
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  15. CharlesH

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    It is the decryption and conditional access function that is mostly the reason why cable companies want you to get the cable card from them. They want to have something that they trust to enforce that you have paid for the services you receive. A counterfeit card could just willy-nilly let you access stuff you haven't paid for. So insisting on you using a card that they provide is not entirely unreasonable.
     
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  16. skypros

    skypros Ex satellite dealer

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    The same cable co that will not let me use my own cable card..... Lets me use my own modem for internet.
     
  17. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    If you know where to get one of those cards that lets all channels come through, please post a link.
     
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  18. cwerdna

    cwerdna Proud Tivolutionary

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    But your cable modem isn't used to access cable TV channels, esp. ones that you have to pay extra for.
     
  19. Gubbagubba

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    Old thread I know but the idea that "they want to have something that they trust to enforce that you have paid for the services you receive" is just a presumed rationale for them when maximizing profit and making a disadvantage for using 3rd party gear is apparent (TiVos get last support compared to Xfinity equip i.e. channel packing support). Something they trust? They can interrogate or shut down any cableCARD already. They *have* to be provisioned and be actively pinged & kept on the valid roster to work at all, so they lose little to no control if they were to let us use our own. They could sell them to us at a reasonable profit relaed to their value as equipment rather than the captive audience exploitation of charging us for service AND every month $7.50 a card for years/a decade. Their rational is profit - period.
     
  20. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    Depends on the cable company. 99.9% will not.
     

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