Can I run my Tivo without a landline?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by MarkH, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. Pete77

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    The UK rates are not as bad although not nearly as good as 3's new service with up to 7Gb of data for full internet for £25 or 1Gb for £15 and 3Gb for £20 per month.

    However it is the monstrous tariffs for data when roaming in other EU contries on a UK Vodafone SIM that I was commenting on. I take it you have not tried using your little Vodafone gadget when you are away on holiday overseas.
     
  2. verses

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    There's an offer on at the moment that makes the 1GB=£10 and the 3GB=£15.

    The only concern I have with it is it mentions a rate of "up to 2.8MB" which I guess could also mean "down to as low as 0MB".

    Ian
     
  3. AMc

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    My gut feeling is unless you are a very light surfer then you are going to bang up against the download limits and acceptable use policies on all these mobile broadband products.

    An alternative if you have a neighbour in sensible range & they are proper friends is to offer to share the cost of a broadband contract or even take on out on their phone line in your name.
    If you're beyond a normal access point range then there are various antenna and aerial products that will allow you to set up point to point access over much longer distances without wiring.
     
  4. terryeden

    terryeden TiVo, Tivum, Tiva,

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    That's the day rate. If you just go abroad for a short while. It's a lot cheaper that Hotel WiFi (from painful experience)

    If you go abroad a lot, the Mobile Broadband Travel tariff gives you 200MB free when abroad, with extra MB at £4.25
    However, the £9.99 gives you 50MB, not 15MB. 50MB in the UK would cost £71 per day (£1 for the first MB, £2 per MB for the next 35). Or you could take the £7.50 bundle - this gets you 120MB for a month.

    I can't see anything on http://www.vodafone.es/acceso-internet/0,,34736,00.html - but my Spanish is not great.

    There's nothing to stop anyone buying a foreign SIM when abroad. It is, usually, cheaper - but not always convenient.


    As I understand it (and I'm not in billing or legal so I might be wrong) there are regulatory reasons which stop foreign companies selling wholesale roaming rates at discounted rates in that fashion.

    Incidentally, the Passport scheme was bought in before the regulator stepped in.

    There is fierce competition in the mobile marketplace. Especially for roaming. If you are unhappy with the rates that Vodafone charge, you have the choice of (in no particular order) Orange, T-Mobile, Virgin, 3, O2, Tesco, ASDA, Skype, a local SIM card, 0044, Truphone, Callblue, and many others.

    If that fails - http://www.3gpp.org/specs/specs.htm
     
  5. verses

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    My current fixed line BB has a 2GB limit, which I've only exceeded once or twice and am usually well below. Although, having said that, I do get unlimited transfers from midnight to 8am, which is useful for torrenting.

    Ian
     
  6. BrianHughes

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    Not yet with the new card, but I did check that the £9.99 in Spain etc is for a 24 hr period. So I can log on at 4pm one day and then use it until 3:59pm the next day for one charge (albeit with a 50MB limit - but that's tons for me).

    I'm the final resort on support, so I don't get called on often while on hols but when I do get called I need remote desktop/vnc for a couple of hours. Like I say it's perfect for my needs.

    I agree that the 3 version looks interesting. I could see that people could start considering that as an alternative for home internet & dumping their phone line.
     
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  8. Pete77

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    But your company is footing the bill rather than you is it not. That makes a big difference.

    Vodafone's data roaming pricing model works on the rash assumption that all roamers are businessmen and no one can possibly be a holiday maker, a ridiculous assumption in 2007. There is no evening or weekend much lower rate for data when roaming - result holiday makers just don't use it because it is unaffordable.

    £10 for one day might be alright if its only just the one day but £10 for 30 days is not is it?
     
  9. Pete77

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    I bet your 2Gb comes from Sky and is free though. Think what Vodafone would charge you for that much data in another EU member state. Strange isn't it when the price of a coke or a sandwich is much the same as back home.
     
  10. Pete77

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    Would that be the same fierce white hot competition that left incoming call charges to UK mobiles roaming in the EU at about 70p per minute. Vodafone Passport lowered this but only due to its anticompetitive advantage in owning several other EU networks. It shouldn't be necessary to own another network to offer a fair roaming price in that country.

    I'm sure its going to take Ms Viviane Reding's regulatory gun to make you chaps in the big four UK mobile companies see any sense on your data roaming prices. Competition only works for something that most consumers are using regularly (as in normal UK calls and data rates). The roaming ripoffs rely on shafting the occasional holidaymaker who doesn't know what they are paying till they get home and get a massive bill. :eek: :mad: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

    I didn't find anything that was of use there to a mere roaming consumer.

    Coming back to this whole roaming nonsense if you draw up on the forecourt of a French petrol station do they say "zut alors you anglais with your holidays you have totally disrupted our refilling plan for the service station so we will run out early". That means instead of you paying 1.12 Euros for a litre of unleaded like a Frenchman we need to charge you 10 Euros per litre because you are roaming on to our forecourt monsieur.

    Of if you go in to a French boulangerie and order a pain au chocalat do they say "oh you are roaming monsieur so instead of 50 cents for a Pain Au Chocalat to a French person that will be 5 Euros to you monsieur.

    If you sit down at a French cafe and have 50cl of Stella is it 20 Euros to you as a "roaming" anglais but only 2 Euros to a local French person?

    These roaming charges are just old fashioned racketeering by robber barons who think they can get away with it. The only part of the extra roaming charge that is justified is someone calling your UK number getting forwarded to you overseas but as international calls cost around 1p per minute to most countries and calls to UK mobiles are about 7p to 17p per minute from a landline the mobile phone company should have enough margin to afford to do the forwarding and keep you as a loyal and happy customer.
     
  11. cwaring

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    Not to whether the system works or not, it doesn't :)

    That's "free" in the sense of "must have our TV and a phone-line; min cost around £30 per month" I presume? ;)
     
  12. Pete77

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    At least it works unlike the so called "free broadband" from TalkTalk. :eek:
     
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    You'd lose that bet as my sig testifies/alludes to.

    Seems odd to compare a service that some/most would class as a premium/luxury item to basic necessities like food and drink (ok, ok, coke isn't a so much of a necessity).

    Ian
     
  14. Pete77

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    I don't see any mention of your ISP in your sig? Only your current tv viewing equipment.

    I can't see how access to the internet when you are mobile and away from home is a luxury when it becomes ever more critical to most apsects of day to day life (including making phone calls by Voip). Eating Caviar or going to an expensive French restaurant are more normally considered luxuries.

    If you go to another country and consume almost any other service there, including eating caviar or drinking champagne you pay the same rate as a local does if you buy it from the same place as a local. But with mobiles if you download data off the same mobile phone mast with a visiting SIM card you are charged up to 1000 times as much for the data as a local. I don't see how that can be right or in line with the operation of normal competitive market forces.
     
  15. verses

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    The sig makes no mention of using Sky, and I believe you need to have a Sky box to get the free Sky BB (I may well be wrong though as I tend to stay clear of all things Murdoch related).


    As with many things 'luxury' is subjective. I rarely make mobile calls in this country, let alone abroad as I tend to see it as an expensive (albeit convenient) way to communicate.
    In your argument you mention buying the items while there, ie from a local supplier, so for fair comparison should you not also buy the mobile calls/data from a local provider?

    Once again this appears to be going OT.

    Ian
     
  16. Pete77

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    If I roam on Vodafone Spain or Movistar Spain's network with a UK phone I am buying from the local supplier on its mobile mast, just the same as if I took my English body in to their restaurant and drank some Spanish coffee with it.

    The concept of roaming and paying far higher tariffs for it is another part of the brilliant world of anti competitive price competition which the mobile phone industry is so good at. And weak and incompetent regulators often let them get away with it. Similarly Vodafone UK still gets away without providing UK pay as you go customers with any form of call itemisation, even online. What other retailers manage to get away with this that do not have mafia like commercial power?

    If I take my UK car FM RDS radio to France or Spain it works doesn't it. I don't have to pay an extortionate "roaming" fee in order to use my radio there on foreign stations.

    The costs of supporting a roaming customer are no higher than a local one other than the cost of transferring the billing data to a third party overseas but as that is done electronically I'm sure the costs are tiny.

    So yes building mobile phone masts and maintaining them is inherently expensive and so that has to be repaid whether the customer is a domestic or a roaming customer using it. My point though is why do I a UK customer have to pay any more for using Vodafone Spain's mast for downloading data than a local customer.

    There is no reason. Any more than they have a reason to charge a UK person more for renting the same hotel room than a Spanish person. In fact Vodafone UK should feel privileged to retain my custom while I am on holiday rather than run the risk I may buy it from a local supplier instead and so lose them all of the business.

    The current system is just a racket that they are able get away with for the time being due to the ruthless dark anti competitive forces that drive the mobile phone marketplace and fix prices and keep the cost of many types of calls artificially high.
     
  17. cwaring

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    Are you sure? If you have a Movistar SIM, then I would agree, but if you have a SIM from the UK then you will surely pay UK Roaming rates. (Unless I mis-undertsood something :))

    My dad has a Movistar SIM which he swaps for his UK (Virgin) one to avoid Roaming charges. He's on PAYG though. It might be different with Pay Monthly/Contract.
     
  18. Pete77

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    But my point Carl is why are there two price tariffs at all on say Vodafone Spain's mast in Spain - one for a Vodafone Spain SIM card holder and one for a visiting customer on TMobile UK who wishes to use their network.

    They both receive the same thing do they not. Namely the ability to make mobile phone calls on that mobile phone mast to particular phone numbers in Spain or back in the UK or anywhere else in the world.

    Their current philosphy is surely exactly the same thing as if they said at a petrol filling station. Aha Senor Ingles we only see you down here in the summer months and we have to specially arrange to fill our pumps up far more often for these two months because you are here. So we will charge you 10 times as much per litre as our French customers for the inconvenience you have caused. But they do that do they?

    If you in to a Spanish restaurant then in Movistar roaming terms you are clearly a more expensive customer to support because you demand probably to have a menu specially in English and you demand probably to be able to place your order in English. But does receiving service in English at a Spanish restaurant in Spain cost more. No it does not because you are just another customer eating food and they are lucky to have your business.

    By accepting the idea that more Eco friendly use of your UK phone in Spain that does not involve wasting resources on packaging and marketing of a separate SIM card to you should inherently cost you more you are with great respect falling for the mobile phone company industry's roaming con. Please explain to me what you are getting when you roam on a Spainish mobile mast that involves paying many times what a local SIM card holder would pay to make exactly the same call to the same destination or receive the same call from the same originating number???

    Shell UK do not have your car locked in to an arrangement to only fill up at their filling stations do they. But the mobile industry is able to lock you down to using only their mobile masts in the UK and then because they have you locked in to a service they then try to rip you off even further by charging far more overseas for using precisely the same service a local mobile phone customer is using! :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :mad: :mad:
     
  19. alextegg

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    Once again we are embroiled in a discussion (argument) that is distinctly OT...

    How on earth did that happen ? :rolleyes:
     
  20. Pete77

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    The topic was how to use Tivo without a landline. Which led to the suggestion of possibly with a Three mobile data card if you don't have NTL broadband. Still on topic I think.

    Which then led to the issue of the costs of data use when roaming. Perhaps slightly off topic but not if you live in the Dover area and try to use your Three mobile data card and find that it has logged on to a 3G network or a French competitor. :eek:
     

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