Can I just tune with a tivo and no sub?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by Hamsterabed, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Sep 5, 2011 #1 of 33
    Hamsterabed

    Hamsterabed New Member

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    Is is possible to buy a Tivo Premier and use it as a tuner for HD channels (with a cable card) with out paying the subscription. I just want to be able to change channels, I don't care if i can't record, use the guide, or transfer videos to it. All I want to do is be able to tune to the 1000 Range of channels from Cox Cable in Florida.

    Will a Tivo tune HD without ever paying for a subscription.

    Also will there be any overly annoying messages to deal with?

    Thanks I haven't been able to find the answer to this...
     
  2. Sep 5, 2011 #2 of 33
    steve614

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    I believe it will work with a cable card, someone else will have to confirm.

    If it does work, you will only get 2 buffered tuners (30 min.) with no guide info.
    You will only be able to tune channels by entering them directly with the number pad or by using the channel up/down button.
     
  3. Sep 6, 2011 #3 of 33
    kturcotte

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    If you're going to use it JUST as a tuner, I'd get a cable box, seriously. You're not really gaining anything with the Tivo.
     
  4. Sep 6, 2011 #4 of 33
    Hamsterabed

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    Can anyone point me towards an HD cable box that will accept a Cable Card under $100?
     
  5. Sep 6, 2011 #5 of 33
    kturcotte

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    I believe Tivo and Moxi are the only ones that make Cable card ready boxes (Boxes, stand alone, not tuner cards for computer). Cable card tuners USED to be included in Tvs, but you don't really find that anymore.
     
  6. Sep 6, 2011 #6 of 33
    Hamsterabed

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    I could potentially settle with using a tuner card for my computer and piping it to my TV but I haven't been able to find any under $100 in that market either...
     
  7. Sep 6, 2011 #7 of 33
    kturcotte

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    Wondering why you want something other than the regular digital cable box if all you're going to be doing is watching Live Tv?
     
  8. Sep 6, 2011 #8 of 33
    Hamsterabed

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    I want a Regular Digital cable box but i would rather not pay the $8 a month for the quite hot one supplied by Cox in my area. This is for a second TV that will use this tuner for more than a year and that is past the break even point (purchase price of the tivo (under $100) plus the $1.50 per month for the cable card). I can't find a normal cable box for a price near a tivo premier. If I could I would just buy that...

    I want a regular Digital cable box with cable card support But a tivo is the cheapest piece of hardware I've found that will take a cable card. I just don't know if it will function as a regular cable box with out a subscription or not...
     
  9. Sep 6, 2011 #9 of 33
    kturcotte

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    I've checked, and haven't found any. Only Stand alone ones I can find are Tivo and Moxi, and there are 3 for the computer-Ceton's $400 card and Silicon Dust's 3 tuner for $250 and 6 tuner for $500.
    The Tivo will probably work without the subscription, but without ANY guide data, which means it'll kinda be like the early days of cable-you won't be able to tell what channel you're on, or what the program is. And I don't know what would happen if the cable company made a line-up change. Say they added a new channel-would he be able to manually tune it, or would the Tivo refuse since it *THINKS* there isn't anything there?
     
  10. slowbiscuit

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    Actually on Comcast you are - Tivos have been as low as $59 from J&R recently, and an extra Cablecard outlet costs $6/mo. on Comcast vs. $8.50 for an HD cable box. So, the Tivo pays for itself in less than 2 years.

    Tivo works fine as a tuner without a sub, but as mentioned you won't have guide data or any access to other Tivos, ability to record, Internet apps, etc. You will have full trick play with dual 30-minute live buffers.

    All channels are tunable with Cablecard mapping and new ones show up just like with all other Tivos - you get a message and can keep or delete them.

    OP just go buy one and try it out - you have 30 days or more to return it at most retailers. It will work fine as a simple HD cable box with a correctly paired Cablecard. Make sure you go into display settings and set the banner to disappear quickly so you won't get bugged by the nag screen though.
     
  11. kturcotte

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    Will it work correctly even if his cable company has a channel line-up change? Say there's NOTHING on 701 for instance, then 3 months later they add something on 701. He'd still be able to tune that manually? Would he get a notice/message like we do, or no?
     
  12. Hamsterabed

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    For cox it pays for its self even quicker since a cable card is only $1.50 per month in my area. Tivo sells these tuners for a loss don't they? Thus why no other products are in the same price category.
     
  13. slowbiscuit

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    Yep they don't want to sell just the hardware because it doesn't make them any money, and I have wondered why they even allow live TV without service. They could disable that functionality and turn the box into a paperweight at anytime, but they never have.
     
  14. slowbiscuit

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    The channels are mapped and authorized by the card, so any new channel can be tuned if it's in your cable tier. Tivo service has nothing to do with it.

    Here's an example - Comcast recently added BBCA-HD in our area on channel 756, and I was able to tune it manually a couple of days before the Tivo guide was updated and I got a message. This happens all the time.
     
  15. L David Matheny

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    It would be bad form for TiVo to disable tuning and buffering of live TV, since that doesn't use their services at all. And you did pay something for the hardware, so it might even be illegal for them to "brick" the unit completely. With no subscription, a TiVo's usefulness is sufficiently limited IMHO.
     
  16. premiereman

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    In short, yes it will work just fine if you use the TiVo box with a cablecard/tuning adapter. I did this for a few days on my second unit until I couldn't stand not knowing what I'm watching. The buffer and pause functions are even there. However, you can't record a show or access the TiVo menu at all which cripples the device to just a tuner (which is enough for you as you mentioned).
     
  17. dwit

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    I'm pretty sure you can access the menu in SDUI.
     
  18. slowbiscuit

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    You can definitely access the menu and change settings, add/delete channels etc.
     
  19. TonyTheTiger

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    A Premier without a sub is NOT under $100. It's $99 with the $19.99/mo plan.

    An unsubbed Premier is $299.
     
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    $85 at Amazon
     

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