CableCard coming to an end FCC 20-124

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  1. radtechy

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    With an OTA TiVo can you still get all the channels that you pay for without a CC? And does it need to be a certain mikes away from the broadcast towers like an HD antenna?
     
  2. warrenn

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    An OTA Tivo is one that can receive the channels broadcast Over-The-Air. It's just like normal antenna TV. You don't need a CC. But it's only going to be the channels which are actually broadcast in your area. That typically is the major networks along with a bunch of minor and oddball channels. So you can get stuff like NBC, ABC, etc., but also the game show channel, channels that show 80's shows, old movie channels, etc. The reception is going to definitely be dependent on your distance to the antennas and any obstructions. If you're in a major city you will likely have no problem, but rural areas might not be able to receive too much.

    If you're wondering what you could receive, there are sites where you can enter your address and it can show you what it thinks you can receive, like Antenna Signal Prediction. Or if you already have an antenna, hook it up to your TV and have it do a channel scan. Many of the OTA signals have some guide data associated with it, so your TV may be able to show a guide of what's being shown on the different channels.
     
  3. mdavej

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    In addition to what's already been said, an OTA Tivo does have a cable tuner, but no cable card slot. So if you were able to get any cable channels without a card before, then you'll also get them on an OTA as long as you still have cable. But this situation is very rare these days. In most cases, you need a cable card to get any cable channels on a Tivo.

    If you need cable channels, then you either need to keep cable and your CC Tivo, or you need to replace with a live TV streaming service like Youtube TV, Sling TV, etc. You can certainly supplement that with OTA channels on your OTA Tivo. But there are many other OTA DVR solutions that better integrate with streaming devices, like Recast, AirTV, Tablo, Channels, Google Live Channels, etc.
     
  4. BosTV

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    I guess I'll keep my Roamio until either it or the Cable Card dies and new CCs are no longer available. Then I'll cut the cord and just stream. For Verizon, that will mean a significant reduction in revenue, as I'll only be paying them for Internet service.

    Would be a bad investment now to buy a new TiVo with lifetime service.
     
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  5. radtechy

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    Well I guess TiVo will not be able to survive once this hits.

    I don’t mind having to stream that’s fine but the one thing I will miss is the instant replay for sports. Idk how streaming devices will handle it
     
  6. ej42137

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    My Roku has a really good replay button; for some services it even turns on closed captions for the repeated segment.

    The Apple TV, on the other hand, has the function but the Apple remote makes it almost impossible to use.
     
  7. radtechy

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    The older Apple TV remotes were better IMO I hate the glide pad. But there’s a workaround for it...use the remote app on you’re phone and it has a 10 second back and forward button. My concern was of it would be good for replaying live content and not stuff that’s already aired and archived.
     
  8. ej42137

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    • I have no idea what you're trying to say in that last sentence; if your intent was to give me a headache, kudos to you!
     
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  9. blacknoi

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    That Salt Remote looks nice, but man $80 shipped......
     
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  10. brobin

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    I find that Antennaweb.org only shows a few channels but I actually receive 19 channels. Nocable.org seems to be a lot more accurate but in the end it all depends on distance, terrain, size and height of the antenna. I'm 50 flat miles due south from the antenna farm where, fortunately, all the transmitters are located, and I have an 8 array ChannelMaster EXTREMEtenna 80 that's mounted in the attic under a tile roof. I do use a ChannelMaster Pre-amp and an 8 port amplifier. I get ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, PBS and all their subchannels including CW and ION. Although I do have cable, I originally put in the antenna for all the TV's that are rarely used rather than pay for adapters. Over the years I added mini's and since selling our second home now have enough mini's for all of them. But when a hurricane takes out cable for a week or more I still have the antenna to fall back on. If Comcast turns off the cablecard they'll lose me as a customer completely as I can switch to CenturyLink fiber for internet at a lower cost. I have Romio+ installed and a Roamio with OTA that came from my other place so I'm ready.
     
  11. blacknoi

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    You are so right about terrain. I'm in North NJ, about 50 miles outside of NYC, and I get zero, ZERO channels via indoor antenna. I'm in the "shadow" of a mountain / the opposite side of NYC. I can at least know there is signal from WABC NY by putting an antenna outside (but it breaks up too much to watch).

    I would have to mount an antenna to the roof of my house of significant size to get anything. But at least there's zero chance of flooding :)

    My plan B is AT&T TV Now. At least with their Osprey box, you get some trick play on live TV.
     
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  12. brobin

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    That's the exact situation that got cable started. They'd go put an antenna on that mountain, grab the channels and put them out over cable. The channel numbers would usually be different to eliminate distortion from the actual broadcast signal. The rest is history!
     
  13. mdavej

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    The thread starter who mentioned the Salt a while back ultimately got this one-for-all instead for a fraction of the price ($16 new, $10 used) and is very happy with it. Unlike the Salt, it's highly programmable. I have several of them. Something to consider.
    TiVo remote use with APPLE TV
     
  14. NashGuy

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    You have to sign up for AT&T TV (with 2-yr contract) to get their Osprey box. AT&T TV Now (contract-free) doesn't offer it, although you can buy the box on eBay and use it with that service. (You get better pricing with AT&T TV if you're not afraid of the contract, though. Discounted rate the first year plus up-front Visa gift cards. Even if you cancel after 12 months and pay the ETF, you'll come out ahead versus going with AT&T TV Now.)
     
  15. NashGuy

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    There's also this new $30 remote from Function 101 that's made specifically for Apple TV. Only downside is no Siri voice button.

    BUTTON REMOTE FOR APPLE TV
     
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  16. mdavej

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    Are you sure about that? Back when I had Osprey boxes, trick play didn't work very well. There was really no live buffer at all. If I paused then resumed, it jumped to live. That could have changed since I cancelled though.

    Youtube TV trick play actually works, and they have more locals and more channels overall than AT&T TV NOW. Youtube TV + HBO is the exact same price as ATTVN MAX. PLUS is cheaper than YTTV, but it has far fewer channels. There's a reason YTTV has grown to 2.3 million subs and AT&T TV NOW has shrunk from 1.5 million to 720,000.

    In any case, I'd do the free trail of whatever you choose just to make sure.
     
  17. blacknoi

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    I have 3 of them and with ATT TV Now (Grandfathered Go-Big), and today you get a (small) 2 minute live buffer. But trick play within it works exactly as it did with Tivo. Regular AT&T TV users get a 90 minute trick play live buffer on the same hardware (its restricted by the backend unfortunately, but "now" customers pay much less $ for many more channels when compared to regular AT&T TV....save for DVR space and the live buffer delta [2 vs 90 minutes]).

    If you subscribe to AT&T TV (not "now") yes that's a contract, no question. But Now customers can still log into the Osprey box, just with the reduced live tv buffer, and a reduced (20 hour) DVR space. And to answer the other person's question, I was a beta tester for the Osprey box as a Now customer (so got 1 for free), and then purchased 2 more off ebay used as it is correct that the only official channel to purchase them new / retail is with a new AT&T TV subscription. Now customers have no such "new" purchase option. Ebay is the only route.
     
  18. NashGuy

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    This is only true for folks like you who are on discounted grandfathered plans. Anyone who has signed up this year gets charged the same regular prices for the same package of channels and same 500-hr cloud DVR, whether on AT&T TV or AT&T TV Now (although the former does charge an additional RSN fee while the latter does not if you have a package that includes RSNs). But then AT&T TV customers get deeply discounted rates the first year, a free Osprey box, and (if they sign up online) Visa gift cards.

    None of this matters to you, of course, since you're on a grandfathered plan. Just clarifying for anyone else who isn't currently a customer.
     
  19. blacknoi

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    Fair point, not only that, I have $25/month off from my legacy unlimited AT&T wireless plan too.

    But if you just turn to the technology itself, AT&T TV does offer trick play with their box, and a "cable" experience with channel numbers so if trying to make a transition away from tivo to something else, this is one of the easier ones (especially if you have family members who want to 'surf' live channels).
     
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  20. NorthAlabama

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    i just re-upped my comcast triple-play for 2 more years, cablecard as my primary device, no hd fee, current package with a few extra channels, faster internet (300/20). this means 6 years without a base price increase, and a 30 grace period to change my mind - not too bad, i'm happy. ;)
     
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