CableCard coming to an end FCC 20-124

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  1. radtechy

    radtechy Member

    Aug 16, 2008


    I just had to pay 5 bucks more for Redzone, it was part of the top tier cable up until a few month as ago but it does work with the cable card unlike some of the other stuff that I’m supposed to get that I will live without.

    I just inquired about a real box for 11 and a DVR for it. Cloud DVR is 17 more and for 10 I can get 12 GB that’s only a few shows, I may just get Hulu live and take it on the chin even though for my condo I get the basic stuff for free the top tier is only 35 extra and that includes HBO, showtime and starz. That part I can’t beat those premiums alone add up to 35 even if you add them to Hulu or get them separate
  2. philco782

    philco782 Active Member

    Sep 27, 2014
    I face a similar dilemma. Hotwire has just buried fiber throughout my condo complex, and in a few months they will go live. I have the option to keep Comcast and my Tivo, and I would really rather keep my Tivo. But as the Tivo wont work with Hotwire fiber, and Hotwire is going to include a DVR, somebody is going to have to want to keep me as a customer. The switch to Hotwire will cost absolutely nothing as it's included in the condo association fees.
  3. buscuitboy

    buscuitboy Member

    Aug 8, 2005
    Atlanta area
    I was waiting for CC support to end. I guess it’s now officially dead and it’s days are numbered. I love my roamio TiVos, but rarely use them these days. Years ago, I had a cable bundle, but no more. In addition to using cell phones, I also use google voice for my home land line service. It was $60 for the adapter and $0/month in fees. As far as TV, I am now primarily using an IPTV service that gives me 10x more channels for about $20/month. Includes locals, movie premiums, PPV, sports packages (nhl, nba, nfl, & mlb) and MUCH more. The only thing I primarily use Comcast for is internet. I use the TiVos to record a few Local programs. The rest I stream (Netflix and amazon). With this news, I’m now looking to probably sell my lifetime roamios and minis. Long live TIVO
  4. radtechy

    radtechy Member

    Aug 16, 2008
    Sell them? Who’s gonna want them if the whole country is gonna be in the same boat?
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  5. brobin

    brobin Active Member

    Feb 14, 2014


    I don't think our CC's will be turned off too soon as, at least for Comcast, they still have a lot of their own boxes that use them. We may not be able to get new ones though. So that raises another question... how long can Tivo stay in business if they can't sell any more cable capable Tivos? I don't know if the OTA market is big enough to keep them viable. I went through the slow death of ReplayTV's years ago and even after the company was gone they soldiered on (and still do) for many willing to live with the old technology. Here's hoping that Tivo strikes some kind of deal with the cable companies to keep our boxes viable. If not, I've had seven good years with Tivo and suspect we still have at least a few more. If Comcast drops support for CC's they'll lose my account for both TV & Internet as we have brand new gigabit fiber just installed by CenturyLink in our neighborhood as a viable option. In addition to my R+ I have a Roamio OTA and good reception of local stations.
  6. DigitalDawn

    DigitalDawn Active Member

    Apr 26, 2009
    Jupiter, FL
    My condolences on Hotwire. Terrible system. Lots of communities down here in South Florida now have Hotwire. Awful picture quality, humongous client boxes, guide data is crappy, etc, etc, etc. Stay with Comcast.
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  7. philco782

    philco782 Active Member

    Sep 27, 2014
    Someone at work blabs on and on about the gigabit internet but 30 mbps is plenty for me. Don’t game so don’t care about sub 10 ms pings.

    But I do like to watch tv a lot. So thanks for the heads up on Hotwire! Gonna keep Comcast then.

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    Last edited: Sep 13, 2020
  8. warrenn

    warrenn Well-Known Member

    Jun 24, 2004
    I think one reason for the low number of active CCs is because of the poor support from the cable companies. If there's any problems with them, it's endless headaches and people just give up. I gave up on CCs several years ago and swore I'd never use them again due to the terrible support I had with Time Warner. The TA would go out every few weeks and either need a reboot or a call to TW to reset it on their end. I called them so often I had the TW phone tree memorized to get to the CC reset rep. I had techs out multiple times and even went through the FCC route, but it never worked reliably. It was clear that TW's support was at the minimum level to meet the FCC requirements. I also called Tivo, but Tivo was never any help, which I think is the core of the problem. Tivo should have been leading the charge for reliable CC support. When it's just random cable customers complaining, the cable company can just blow them off. But if Tivo had put some legal muscle behind the complaints, then maybe the FCC would have been able to force the cable companies to deliver CC technology that actually worked. But when consumers have to fight this battle on their own, it's much easier to just give up on CCs and go with something else.
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  9. morac

    morac Cat God TCF Club

    Mar 14, 2003
    Support has gotten better over the years. I remember when I first got 2 cards for my S3 (which needed 2 cards), Comcast had to send out an installer who was surprised he got them working and it only took an hour with him having to call in. Now they have self-install kits.

    That said unless one is aware they are an option (and the cable companies don’t tell you that), most people just get a cable box.
  10. LynnL999

    LynnL999 Active Member

    Oct 7, 2002
    I dunno. I think they will do whatever they need to do to retain customers. And since people with cable card TiVo's can't go anywhere else, it behooves them to keep providing support, at least for awhile.

    I never thought my cable company would offer an absolutely-no-sports channels package, but they did it, as a way to retain customers who want locals and other cable channels but no sports. Without all the sports channels the TV part of my bill is under $50 a month.
  11. ajwees41

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

    May 7, 2006
    they can go OTA or rent cable boxes from the cable company
  12. Narkul

    Narkul Active Member

    Nov 7, 2004
    If they stop CC support, I'll not be renting their equipment and cable will be dropped. I guess I'd try one of the live streaming options.
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  13. LynnL999

    LynnL999 Active Member

    Oct 7, 2002
    Sure, they *can,* if they really want to keep cable, or live in an area where OTA is an acceptable option. I suspect there are a lot of us who keep cable because of TiVo. If I can't use TiVo anymore, I will probably go full cord-cutter.
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  14. eaadams

    eaadams Member

    Apr 25, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Our internet reliability has just gotten too bad during Work from Home. Yesterday was the last straw when the stream went dead and the CEO of a very large company started yelling. That means service is affecting job performance & perception. So, we will be moving our internet to AT&T Fiber which just lit up on our street.

    My question is we have TiVo Ramio with lifetime and a cable card. We want to keep using that for TV. So what are the requirements for Comcast to work with the cable card? (SF Bay Area, California) Do we have to maintain internet service or is there a Cable Only option that still lights up the cable card? I guess I just need minimal till Comcast pushes us away permanently w/ FCC rule.
  15. mdavej

    mdavej Well-Known Member

    Aug 13, 2015
    Go here, set your location and uncheck all the boxes except TV:

    There are no particular requirements for cable card. Just sign up the the package of your choice and ask for a card.

    Personally, I'd take this opportunity to switch to a streaming TV package with cloud DVR. As much as I despise AT&T, the price of an AT&T TV and internet bundle is quite attractive and the channel lineup is very strong. You could use the money from the sale of your Tivo (~$250) to pay for a couple of months of service. If you'd rather not bundle, then Youtube TV would be an excellent alternative to Tivo/Comcast depending on what channels and features you want.
    AT&T Bundles - Deals on TV & Internet - Check Availability
    YouTube TV - Watch & DVR Live Sports, Shows & News
  16. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

    Jan 19, 2008
    Silicon Valley
    The CableCARD would keep working with only cable service. You'll need internet service for updates to the guide and software, but that can be from another company.
  17. radtechy

    radtechy Member

    Aug 16, 2008
    To sum it cable card = a big paperweight you won’t be able to record anything without a CC
  18. Peewee

    Peewee New Member

    Aug 20, 2010
    A Spectrum CS Rep told me almost the same thing 2 weeks ago. She suggested I do not give up my cable card as they are not issuing new ones. Most of the techs don't know how to activate them and they don't want to waste resources training them. I'm afraid TIVO days are numbered.
  19. Unbeliever

    Unbeliever Random Nobody

    Feb 3, 2001
    Nowhere Special
    By sheer coincidence, I had ordered a Roamio OTA from Weaknees to supplement my Original Roamio Pro the weekend before the FCC announcement. I had already been paring down the Cable TV packages I subscribed to, and with the recent price increases bumping up the monthly up to what I had been paying before I dropped premiums, coupled with the fact that I would occasionally have to reset the TA, I had already decided to use whatever ends up being the Fall 2020 season to trial moving completely OTA.

    I still am stuck with Charter/Spectrum for the net connection, but dropping the TV portion should cut my bill in half. There are still about 4-5 non-OTA shows in my OnePass list, but they won't be a big loss. I have way more stuff to watch with the Streaming I already have (Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu which is included with my Spotify), that if I have time in front of a TV, it won't be idle.

    I suspect by the end of the Calendar Year, my TA and Cable Card will be return to Spectrum. I went with the Roamio OTA as I have Tivo Minis distributing my TV, and it can still run TE3. I've never streamed with the Tivos, always using Chromecasts or FireSticks for that role.

    --Carlos "As long as Mt. Wilson doesn't completely burn" V.
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  20. SolomonJ

    SolomonJ Member

    Dec 5, 2015

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