CableCard coming to an end FCC 20-124

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  1. Sep 8, 2020 #121 of 180
    phox_mulder

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    My daughter just moved out and into a place that doesn't have good antenna reception, so she got Xfinity Basic, the cheapest plan they offered.
    Took her Roamio OTA with her then found out it wouldn't work.
    My Roamio Basic had recently died beyond repair, not power supply and not hard drive, something on the motherboard, so I pulled the cable card slot out and put it in her OTA, she got a cablecard from Xfinity and it works great.
    So at least in this area, they are still giving out Cablecards.
     
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  2. Sep 8, 2020 #122 of 180
    Narkul

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    I guess it's also possible that central is no longer supplying cable cards to local installers, so this is one of the lines they're using.
     
  3. Sep 8, 2020 #123 of 180
    Narkul

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    Looks like we're going to have to hold out hope on the cable companies being "nice guys" and not taking our Tivos away. ROFL!
     
  4. Sep 8, 2020 #124 of 180
    shwru980r

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    I think the cable companies will be forced to offer a base package where the channels are not encrypted because there will be many complaints from consumers that their device is bricked and from manufactures who have inventory they can't sell anymore. Certainly there will be people in high places who use Tivo, who have some influence. When the cable card standard was first implemented, they didn't encrypt all of the channels and you could use a tivo without a cable card. There has to be some sort of compromise.
     
  5. Sep 9, 2020 #125 of 180
    radtechy

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    Does anyone here honestly think the greedy cable companies care? They’re salivating over this, cable cards is always something that makes the forums about customer service not being educated on and service techs hating for years.

    So myself and a neighbor have an issue we are missing channels that disappeared overnight 6 months ago, and freezing/ scrambling that happens....both of us spending hours on the phone that gets nowhere, have a tech come that gets nowhere, then a pole guy comes and he says it’s frequency issue and it has to be done from headquarters and it’s still not fixed.

    This basically gives them a blank check to get rid of the cable card headache use of extra resources that they will have an opportunity to put an end to. Plus not to mention get some of us to get boxes and DVR service all they will see is dollar signs.
     
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  6. Sep 9, 2020 #126 of 180
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Something like that happened to me about 12 years ago. Turned out to be water in a box somewhere down the block. It required several very frustrating interactions with CSRs, in-home techs, and pole guys. If I had to do it all over again, I would have wired that house for OTA and internet only, even way back then.
     
  7. Sep 9, 2020 #127 of 180
    mdavej

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    I hope you're right. But I'm afraid this is just wishful thinking. The number of cable card subs is so insignificant, simply forcing those few to get a box in spite of the complaints is what the cable company will do rather than roll back the security features they've spent a lot of money to deploy. IMO the chances of clear QAM making any sort of come back are nil.

    I once read a statistic that out of Spectrum's 16 million video customers, only 40,000 had cable cards. That works out to a quarter of one percent.
     
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  8. timchi29

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    I expect comcast to start charging to provide cable cards. They wouldnt pass up making a few extra bucks.
     
  9. radtechy

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    I pay 2.50 each card. A box is 11 plus DVR fees. Which way makes them more money?
     
  10. Pokemon_Dad

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    Here with Comcast in the SF Bay Area I previously paid $2.50 per card, but now now my first card is free and the second is $9.95 for "Digital Add'l Outlet Svc - Includes CableCARD". I think that happened about 18 months ago, raising the price ~$4. At first they tried to raise it to almost $12, then got beat down by a regulator somewhere.

    I come out ahead overall because I also get a $10 credit for "Customer-Owned Equipment", but that credit is for having my own modem so not really.
     
  11. keenanSR

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    Bay Area also and my plan and CableCARDs are so old that I have zero outlet fees. I have 3 cards, the first being no charge and the other two get me a $5 monthly credit on my bill. So I have 3 CCs and get $5 back from Comcast. I have no other Comcast equipment. And in fact, I'm only using one of them now in an SD HDHomeRun tuner as I've already sold one TiVo and have a Roamio Pro w/Lifetime for sale currently.

    BTW, does this site still have a classified section or does it still require selling through eBay?
     
  12. Pokemon_Dad

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    eBay, but you can cross-post your listing here:
    eBay Auction Central
     
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    Even the cable company apps that are mentioned still don't record content for time shifting and commercial skipping. Certainly cable companies without an app should still be required to provide cable cards.
     
  15. blacknoi

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    I feel like this will be the push that really accelerates the sunsetting of our beloved tivo's as we knew them. Been preparing for this for a while so I'm set whenever the last shoe drops. I have 3 osprey boxes running on my AT&T TV Now accounts. Live buffer (2 minutes for AT&T TV Now customers, 90 minutes on the same hardware if you have regular AT&T TV) gives you live tv trick play. And it has 15-second skip increments for playback of recorded content, but 30 second skip increments on the live buffer.

    Still sticking with Tivo till the bitter end, or whenever Optimum jacks my rates up too high (not sure where that ceiling is, but I'm close already), or when Altice stops supporting cablecards (yes I'm getting the v58 / unauthorized errors on both my tivos, for several weeks now too).
     
  16. radtechy

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    I’m missing a lot of channels since the covid lockdown middle of March
     
  17. blacknoi

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    Me too, and I have also been battling a "time of day" signal loss on a few channels (whatever frequency range they have NY ABC channel 7) where signal will get into the 70s anywhere between 2pm EDT and 6pm EDT..... it doesn't do it every day but "most days" and the signal always returns to normal by evening time. No changes in my house during this time, no home automation... no clue.

    This has accelerated my useage of ATT TV Now as that is working normally during these times (I never lose internet ).
     
  18. pj1983

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    Might be due to changes in propagation. How far are you from the transmitter? IIRC there's been some reports of unusual 2 meter and 70cm openings in the Northeast this summer. I'm not active on VHF or UHF so just going by some rumors...
     
  19. Davelnlr_

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    I just tried to get Red Zone for Xfinity, and they told me they dont support cablecards now. X1 or the highway. Been a long run Tivo. Looks like YouTubeTV for me. Now I just need to find an unlimited internet package to use with it.
     
  20. DeltaOne

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    I just checked my TiVo and I have RedZone. Maybe because I had it before the recent cable card ruling? Don't know.

    I've been a little antsy about RedZone because I picked up an X1 about two months ago and was told I would lose RedZone. But I still have it on both my X1 and TiVo.
     

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