CableCard coming to an end FCC 20-124

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  1. Sep 7, 2020 #101 of 180
    LynnL999

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    I'm not a super techie like some of you, but I've had TiVos since the TiVo 2, back when it had a phone line and an IR blaster. I love the TiVo ease of use, but this is the writing on the wall. The two Bolts I have now are my last TiVos.

    One of my local stations is not on any streaming service for some ungodly reason, and losing that is a dealkiller, so I'll probably stick with cable for awhile longer.

    But I've gotten my cable package down to $43.99 (I am grateful to Cox for offering a no-sports-whatsoever package), and the $13 a month for their 2-tuner DVR on one TV is probably more than sufficient for me now. Everything else I stream anyway.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2020 #102 of 180
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I'm "lucky" in that cable and internet are included in my association fees, so it doesn't cost me any more to use them. (And they're good services...the cable is everything except premium, and the internet is 200 Mbps.) But with the fall season the way it is, I'm down to probably less than half my TV watching over cable these days (especially since I went from Comcast HBO to HBO Max).

    I do love TiVo, though. If they came up with a relatively future-proof box that would use both cable and streaming with 4K, I would pay a lot for it just to keep the interface and consolidate everything under one set of menus.
     
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    TishTash

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    Yes but Netflix soon thereafter bemoaned the extortion Comcast and others were forcing onto them, whose salvo, though given after said agreement was inked, still resonated re the pitfalls of pulling net neutrality.
     
  4. Sep 7, 2020 #104 of 180
    TishTash

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    Oh I agree completely. Like I said, this is our future....
     
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  5. Sep 7, 2020 #105 of 180
    jerrymc

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    Yeah, like Portland.
     
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    TishTash

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    Y’know, you don’t have to limit your causes. If someone donates to an animal shelter doesn’t mean they condone human trafficking. People can be against a lot of things and pursuing one doesn’t mean they’re necessarily accepting the others.
     
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    Narkul

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    cwoody222

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  9. Sep 8, 2020 #109 of 180
    DPJohnson

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    I just saw that article and would like to know if this also applies to tuning adapters in addition to cable cards. For a few months now I dropped cable, gave back my Card and tuning adapter to Cox in Omaha-CB, switched to an OTA TiVo with an antenna and subscribed to YouTube TV to get TBS and other cable nets. When I recorder with my Cable TiVo with the card and tuning adapter, there were times when a recorded show would be a black screen with no sound so I dropped cable. Of course, with the indoor antenna I get dropouts on my local stations whenever it storms or a plane flies over my home, so that's another reason I got You Tube TV. But if I could use my cable TiVo with no need for a card or tuning adapter, maybe I'd reconsider cable again.
     
  10. Sep 8, 2020 #110 of 180
    PSU_Sudzi

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    You cannot use a cable TiVo without a cable card. And it sounds like your cable provider requires a tuning adapter so you need that also unless you don’t want to watch or record those SDV channels.
     
  11. Sep 8, 2020 #111 of 180
    elorimer

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    Off topic, but those air quotes are deserved. That's the holy grail for cable companies--you're locked in to what the HOA does, mostly forever. That usually includes the cost of their boxes, remotes, etc.
     
  12. Sep 8, 2020 #112 of 180
    ncbill

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    My triple-play (cable, internet, phone) including one CableCard (& tuning adapter) is now almost $200/month.

    I would love for my local cable company to email me telling me they're shutting off CCs since it would be the perfect justification to drop cable TV & cable phone (for Ooma)
     
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  13. Sep 8, 2020 #113 of 180
    wendlan

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    To add my experience, Altice/Suddenlink was flat-out unwilling/unable to activate CableCARDs in February of this year. I posted about it here: Warning for Suddenlink customer considering Tivo/CableCards in 2020
    I decided that if they couldn't even support getting it setup, I would have no confidence in them being able to keep it functional.
     
  14. Sep 8, 2020 #114 of 180
    NashGuy

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    Yeah. Yours was probably one of the reports I had read. But back in Feb., you at least had the option of contacting the FCC to then contact Altice and force them to give you a working CC. Like this case from a year ago:

    Cablevision phase-out of cablecard

    Now, that's no longer an option.
     
  15. Sep 8, 2020 #115 of 180
    Narkul

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    Unless you read something I missed, the poster doesn't really say when he encountered the issue with Comcast other than recently, but the post was made 2 days after the FCC memo on a Sunday. I wouldn't be surprised if Comcast knew this was coming and could have easily sent out a memo to employees to go ahead and start to deny the service.

    Regardless, my Tivo buying days are over.
     
  16. Sep 8, 2020 #116 of 180
    Pokemon_Dad

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    You have far more faith in Comcast's efficiency and organization than I do. :)

    But yes I think for most of us, our TiVo buying days are over. Ironic that right now there's a thread celebrating folks who have been here on TCF for 20 years.
     
  17. Sep 8, 2020 #117 of 180
    cwoody222

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    Well unless the OP discovered his problem, contacted TiVo, got a refund, wrote to the FCC and others and posted here all within 48 hours, I assume his issue has been going on since before the ruling came out.

    And I highly doubt issuing a policy change that affects 1% of their users would be a priority for a behemoth of a company like Comcast to be able to push it thru with such EXACT timing.

    Much more likely this one person’s recent experience is a coincidence.
     
  18. Sep 8, 2020 #118 of 180
    Narkul

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    I'm not really sure what you're talking about. They wanted to close their existing account and open a new account with a student promotion because their son was a stay at home student, which Xfinity recommended they do, but when they said they had Tivo's, Xfinity said they couldn't activate the Tivos on a new account so they may be better off staying with their existing account and continue using their already active Tivos. There was nothing about refunding Tivos or writing to the FCC. This could easily have occurred over 1 day.

    I think it's very likely Comcast knew this was coming, they've been lobbying for it for years and it's no secret that Ajit is clearly on the side of the big cable companies.

    I understand this could all be coincidence, but the timing is very suspect, especially when one of the service reps who was familiar with Tivo and stated that existing accounts with cable cards were safe but there would be no new ones.
     
  19. Sep 8, 2020 #119 of 180
    cwoody222

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    Apologies, I had re-read an older link above.

    But still, the OP you reference seems to have been dealing with his issue for more than a few days.

    Unless you think his statement about not receiving a response from TiVo from his written correspondence refers to a letter mailed literal hours ago.

    It’s a coincidence.

    “Recently, our family contacted Xfinity about a high speed internet student promotion. We were advised that this would be a faster, cheaper service that we could use without problem. They advised stopping the current service, and having our student, living at home (during the pandemic), sign up for new service. But as this order was about be initiated, we were told that Xfinity/ Comcast does not support TiVOs on new service (which this would be considered). I tried to confirm this repeatedly. Some Xfinity agents have never heard of TIVO!!!! Others say that they will not active cable cards for new accounts but they are not taking it away from existing accounts. When I called TIVO, they really weren't sure what to say other than to continue my existing service--which is exactly what I have done. I even wrote a letter by USPS to TIVO headquarters to ask if they had any information (since this would impact them greatly)--but I have not received a response.
     
  20. Sep 8, 2020 #120 of 180
    cwoody222

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    Further, if Xfinity was aware of the decision coming and ready to change their policy ASAP you’d think they’d have update their website?

    What is a CableCARD? – Xfinity

    Way more likely a rep lied/was misinformed.
     

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