CableCard coming to an end FCC 20-124

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  1. Sep 4, 2020 #21 of 201
    wmcbrine

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    The way they currently act suggests the answer. All those companies that say "We don't support CableCard anymore" when you call them? Now, they'll mean it.

    BTW, does anyone know the 2013 case the FCC is referring to, offhand?
     
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    samsauce29

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    Justia Opinion Summary

    DISH, a direct broadcast satellite provider, challenged two orders of the Commission because they imposed "encoding rules," which limited the means of encoding that cable and satellite service providers could employ to prevent unauthorized access to their broadcasts. The court held that the FCC's decision to apply these encoding rules exceeded the agency's statutory authority. Consequently, the court need not reach DISH's alternate contention that the decision was arbitrary and capricious. Accordingly, the court granted the petition for review.

    EchoStar Satellite, LLC v. FCC, et al, No. 04-1033 (D.C. Cir. 2013)
     
  3. Sep 4, 2020 #23 of 201
    TishTash

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    “Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding ... sold to the American “
     
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  4. Sep 4, 2020 #24 of 201
    shwru980r

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    You will still be able to use a series 2 with a DTA.
     
  5. Sep 4, 2020 #25 of 201
    Narkul

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    This is all no surprise, Ajit Pai was appointed to head the FCC to gift the cable companies for their support to the administration. It was a prime directive to do away with net neutrality and allow the cable companies to achieve maximum profit at the expense of competition and the consumer.
     
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    radtechy

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    Take out the hard drives and get enclosures for them and make portable hard drives I did that once with a dead laptop
     
  7. Sep 5, 2020 #27 of 201
    Triride44

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    Check out LOCAST you can get all the local OTA's for a $5/mth donation.

    Home - Locast
     
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  8. Sep 5, 2020 #28 of 201
    slowbiscuit

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    Just confirmed - Ajit Pai is the worst FCC commissioner ever.

    Vote, people. It's important.
     
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    Pokemon_Dad

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    Locast is a good option, if it is available for your area. Hopefully @elorimer is within the NYC Metro market as Locast defines it, as it is not available in NY beyond those boundaries. But for the record, Channels DVR supports Locast.
     
  10. Sep 5, 2020 #30 of 201
    DigitalDawn

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    When does this take effect?
     
  11. Sep 5, 2020 #31 of 201
    WVZR1

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    Could the fact that there's 'no or very little quality product' developed for the retail market have anything at all to do with lifting likely the requirement to supply the CableCARD for customer owned equipment? If there were more 'quality product' and a greater demand for product I'd think it might not have come to this.
     
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  12. Sep 5, 2020 #32 of 201
    fcfc2

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    There may be some kind of statutory delay, but barring some kind of legal challenge, I would say it is a done deal....sadly.
     
  13. Sep 5, 2020 #33 of 201
    JoeKustra

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    Many MSO supply TiVo boxes, like mine, and I'm sure some STB inside also. They won't be happy.
     
  14. Sep 5, 2020 #34 of 201
    TishTash

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    That’s not entirely true: What about WLIW on Long Island, and WNJN in Jersey? All part of WNET now.
     
  15. Sep 5, 2020 #35 of 201
    mattyro7878

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    So this is it. I can get a letter from Comcast any day? They will effectively be breaking my contract so I wont be penalized for dropping tv , keeping internet and going yttv? I think as long as i keep internet I wont get wacked.What about thoise who just bought a lifetime Edge? Yoinks!!!
     
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    PSU_Sudzi

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    Why is he the worst ever? Because they are removing a rule and that pulls the plug on a device that essentially dead already?
     
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  17. Sep 5, 2020 #37 of 201
    NashGuy

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    Note that the FCC filing doesn't say that MSOs can't continue to offer and support CableCARDs voluntarily. The FCC actually urges/expects MSOs to do so, although I think that's fairly disingenuous. Sure, those MSOs that deploy TiVos and other STBs that use CCs will continue to support them but those who don't (all the big ones) will be free to drop support now.
     
  18. Sep 5, 2020 #38 of 201
    mattyro7878

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    As corporations are given free reign to destroy the land air and sea...why not destroy freedom of choice as well?
     
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  19. Sep 5, 2020 #39 of 201
    NashGuy

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    I'd be surprised if Comcast (or Charter or Verizon or Cox) suddenly de-activated CCs that are already in use. Far more likely scenario, IMO, is that they allow the current ones to continue to be used but they stop issuing and activating any more CCs. Just like decrepit old cable boxes out in the field, as long as the customer is satisfied using it and keeps paying the bill, they'll let them remain. But if a technical problem arises, the customer will be told that they must swap out the equipment for something newer, i.e. X1 or the Xfinity Stream app.

    As for those who just bought a new TiVo with lifetime service, yep, muy no bueno. Of course, the handwriting has been on the wall for quite some time and some of us have been warning that big new investments in TiVo hardware and service is a risky proposition.

    I'm wondering if TiVo will continue to even sell CableCARD DVRs now. If so, do they have some kind of legal obligation to notify consumers prior to purchase that their cable company may now legally choose to kick the device off their network at any point in time going forward?
     
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  20. Sep 5, 2020 #40 of 201
    blacknoi

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    I don't even understand this......
     

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