CableCard coming to an end FCC 20-124

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  1. Sep 4, 2020 #1 of 180
    paxon1

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    Does not look good for the Cable Card from FCC 20-124 Today. 9-4-20

    https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-20-124A1.pdf

    Cherry Picking the info from FCC doc.

    9. "We eliminate the CableCARD consumer support rules. We conclude that these rules no
    longer serve a useful purpose following the D.C. Circuit’s 2013 decision in Echostar."

    11. "We also find that retention of the CableCARD support rules is unnecessary to ensure that
    cable operators continue to support retail CableCARD devices during their expected lifetime."

    12. "Finally, we conclude that it is appropriate to eliminate the requirement that the largest
    cable operators report about CableCARD support and deployment on a quarterly basis.51"
     
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    TishTash

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    Ajit Pai can s*** my d***.
     
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    radtechy

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    So does this mean we have to give back our cable cards and use OTA or stream? If that’s the case TiVo is dead

    I’m not a lawyer, can anyone sum this up and few sentences?
     
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    krkaufman

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    Ajit Pai ca l*** my t****!
     
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    lhvetinari

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    From what I get out of it, the regulatory teeth behind CableCard enforcement are being stripped as they "trust" (hah) the operators to continue cablecard support without the federal mandate.

    Addendum: Ajit Pai is also invited to s--- my d--- when he finishes with the other two from the thread above
     
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    JandS

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    Any thoughts on whether this will be death by benign neglect situation or full on no more cards, go pound sand event?

    eta: meaning how will cable operators react?
     
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    elorimer

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    We know how cable operators will react. First, they will raise the fees for cable cards until they are in excess of their own box rental. Second, they will at best support cards in use now, and not provide cards for new installs. Third, they will not support cable cards.
     
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    DVR_Dave

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    Fourth, lawyers will get richer with class action lawsuits.
     
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    lhvetinari

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    I don't think they'll go full-on go pound sand (at least not too soon, it'd raise too much ire) - but I fully expect the death by neglect situation (here's lookin' at you, Altice...)

    But hey, maybe there's a 1/1,000,000 chance this spurs TiVo to get going on a 2-way/IP compatible box that makes it's way to the retail market (after some MSOs pick it up, of course)
     
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    mdavej

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    What do you call neglect that isn't benign, rather it's harmful? That's what will happen.

    You know how a big chunk of cable card issues get resolved by filing an FCC complaint? That's not going to do anything any more. So the likelihood of your Tivo becoming a doorstop at any given moment just went way up.

    It's not like we didn't all know this day would come, especially under d*** s***er Pai. It's just managed to stay off his radar until now. I guess he's running out of things to destroy.
     
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    MScottC

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    This is getting political... I won't say anything more.
     
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    mdavej

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    The thread or the move to kill cable card?

    How can a government action be discussed without being political? It's 100% political.
     
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    Pokemon_Dad

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    If CableCARDs go away, Channels DVR provides an alternate way to record cable shows: TV Everywhere (TVE). I doubt TiVo will put in the development time necessary to do the same. Not that loss of cable access would be a great tragedy here. We normally only rely on cable for a few news/talk channels. Everything else is over the air or streaming.
     
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    radtechy

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    So basically you’re saying the FCC says we don’t want to be bothered and it’s up to cable to provide it or not?

    I’m sorry I’m asking again I just want a simple answer and every comment is beating around the bush
     
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    lhvetinari

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    Yeah, that's what I assume - it's going from the FCC saying "Under federal policy, you MUST..." to "Well, it would be nice if you guys could..." with no law behind it.
     
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    JandS

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    I really thank you for reminding the dinosaurs among us (or those who must support them and so are loathe to make changes without a looooong considered effort) that there is life outside a Tivo ecosystem.
     
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    radtechy

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    Thanks for giving me a straight answer. I guess I’ll be ready when this happens. How long do you think it will take for cable to screw us? As it is I have signal issues they can’t fix and getting choppy tv so I’ve already been looking at alternatives. The only think keeping me is I like the convenience other than that I really don’t have any reasons to keep TiVo
     
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    elorimer

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    In my part of the NYC market OTA is limited to one PBS station. TiVo has been great, but if cable card goes then my four with lifetime go in the dustbin of history.
     
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    Pokemon_Dad

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    Wow only one channel? OK at that point your choices will be Channels DVR with TVE, or one of the cloud DVR services like YouTube TV, Hulu Live TV, or one of their smaller competitors. Sad to see more people ready to dump TiVo, but there are options. There never again will be anything exactly like TiVo though.
     
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    pj1983

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    Looks like it's time to start unloading CC-only TiVos while they still have some value.
     

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