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Busted! Comcast Down-Converts native 1080i Channels to 720P!!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by HarperVision, Jul 29, 2016.

  1. morac

    morac Cat God

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    I tried watching the Game of Thrones Premiere on HBO and almost immediately ended up switching over to HBGo because the picture quality was so poor.

    The 62 minute recording was 1.67 GB which is 3.71 Mbps. I'm recording the episode off of HBO2 (which is still MPEG2) tomorrow and will compare the bitrate and picture quality.
     
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  2. kbmb

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    Oh man.....the scene in the beginning with the snow and white walkers......it was a compressed mess!!! Does HBO Go stream live?
     
  3. morac

    morac Cat God

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    Yes the stream goes up at the same time the episode is aired.
     
  4. PSU_Sudzi

    PSU_Sudzi Active Member

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    You're lucky you still have HBO2 in mpeg2, they've switched all premiums where I live. The opening scene with the Walders also looked kind of blurry to me and I just watched it on HBO Go and its vastly better. Guess I will watch it there from now on.
     
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  5. keenanSR

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    Yes, in fact, it's rather surprising it's still at MPEG2 encoding. Are any of the other HBO multiplex channels still at MPEG2?
     
  6. danm628

    danm628 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    HBO2 is 720p mpeg4 for me. There are some random channels that are still 1080i but only a few.
     
  7. kbmb

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    Just checked it out on HBO Go as well.....Comcast "should" be embarrassed, but I know they aren't.
     
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  8. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    So although we got the mail saying we needed to upgrade our equipment by June 13th for the MPEG4 change, I hadn't seen any channels transitioned to MPEG4 either spot-checking channels moving from 1080i to 720p or checking for reduced sizes using kmttg .

    Until last night of course.... :(

    GameofThrones_MPEG4.JPG

    Scott
     
  9. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    Besides being able to use a TiVo, I really can't think of a good reason to still be using Comcast for TV channels. You can get better video quality at a cheaper price from internet TV streaming services now. Comcast deserves to lose all of its TV subscribers.
     
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  10. morac

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    HBO2 recording was 61 mins at 3.97 GB. That's 8.82 Mbps. I tried doing a "side-by-side" comparison, which wasn't that easy. The 720p recording was definitely "softer", but in many places it wasn't that noticeable. My TV is only 40" though. It was more noticeable in the wide open shots and frequently faces lacked details.
     
  11. Fuzzy Dunlop

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    I was actually thinking of switching to Xfinity w/ Tivo from Directv to save some money. I'm glad I did my homework first. It's amazing that they can get away with less and worse HD content. Where I am, they are the only game in town for broadband. I guess that's how.
     
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  12. davidscarter

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    Just signed up for the 7-day free trial of HBO via Amazon Channels, so I can stream on my FireTV. Watched the start of S7E1 of GoT and the picture is much better than the muddied down-converted version that Comcast offered up. Assuming things stream well on Sunday evening, I'm cancelling HBO via Comcast. (And Starz too, which I had been hanging on to to watch American Gods...)

    Honestly I don't notice much of a difference on a lot of the down-converted content that Comcast has switched over to MP4, but GoT was just awful (it's a dark show most of the time and the detail is getting muddied in the compression). Movies on the premium channels also seem 'soft'. So I'll likely get premium channels that I need in the future via Amazon.
     
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  13. WVZR1

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    YouTubeTV just came to the Washington DC market and aside from the convenience of TiVo and Comcast there's not much reason to stick around. I was contemplating DirecTV for quality but damn the contracts. I've trimmed some trees so I can do either of the Satellite providers but I believe I could very likely accomplish as much TV as I need with a streaming service. I'd think it won't be long and the'll have the DVR functions and maybe 5.1 working well. YouTubeTV looks to be a 9 month DVR. I don't know that it would satisfy a "family" but being just me I'm thinking.

    Years ago I did ExpressVu here in the WV pan-handle and I had HD long before it was available to Adelphia cable customers. They pretty much terminated the "owned equipment" option when the DVR became a little more complicated and popular. My Canadian broker was getting much harder to deal with so eventually when Adelphia added HD and came into the neighborhood I got HSI and CATV.

    I mentioned DirecTV to Comcast and they adjusted enough to keep me around with "no contract". I've got a new OLED 65" that will be delivered 1st of the month and I just believe I need something more than the Comcast offering. OTA is out of the question 50 ft doesn't get me over the trees.
     
  14. morac

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    Just as an FYI, but Comcast has Internet caps in most areas (all but the NorthEast). They'll charge you up to $200 more if you go over unless you sign up for the unlimited plan for an extra $50. The cap is a TB, but if you stream all your TV it's probably not that hard to hit that. Comcast screws you either way.
     
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  15. davidscarter

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    Comcast will show you your history of data use so you can determine if you're close to the cap or not. They also give 2 "courtesy months" of going over the cap before they start to charge. I've never been close to the cap, so I'm not worried about streaming a couple of HBO shows each week.

    If I were in an situation to get reliable OTA I'd strongly consider giving up on cable TV from Comcast and going with OTA + streaming. But I'm not, so I'm sticking with Comcast for at least basic cable service. But I ain't paying them extra for premium channels that are of poor quality.

    (Also, Comcast just replaced the defunct UniversalHD with the Olympic Channel, which is awesome.)
     
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  16. aaronwt

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    yes. No cap here in the DC area. Hopefully they don't implement one. Since if they ever do in the Northeast. I could see FiOS doing the same thing shortly after.
     
  17. NorthAlabama

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    interesting. we migrated a few months back, and i'd never really noticed an issue with artifacts on hbo until the got marathon before last sunday night's premier. one of the season 6 episodes was clipped right when drogon was flying at the screen, no big deal, flipped over to xfinity vod, began playback where it left off, and the quality of the vod was incredibly better for the flying action shot - an enormous difference in quality.
     
  18. morac

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    Even without caps, if the Network Neutrality rules are repealed by the FCC, Comcast will be able to screw with streaming services by either slowing them down or charging customers more to use them.

    Verizon just got caught throttling Netflix and YouTube yesterday, granted that's on their Wireless service.
    Verizon accused of throttling Netflix and YouTube, admits to “video optimization”
     
  19. Bigg

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    If they ever went that far, hopefully the FTC would investigate them, but in the meantime, VPN providers would do really well! The question is whether Comcast would sacrifice their remaining customers in FiOS areas and areas with other competition in order to completely screw over their monopoly customers? It's not that Verizon is some shining star of being a good company, but you can bet they would slam Comcast hard in TV and radio ads if they ever pulled a stunt like that.
     
  20. danm628

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    You do realize they have already done this in the past. Not just Comcast but most of the majors played games with Netflix until Netflix paid them.
     

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