Bug Fixes When?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Resist, Mar 26, 2011.

  1. Krandor

    Krandor Active Member

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    There was still value in TiVo's service even without TTG and MRV because the experience of having a DVR to record over a VCR was worth the monthly fee to me.

    So even without a lot of extra features, the core features of TiVo had great value when it came out. Over time, the bar got raised and TiVo kept up with it and pushed the envelope but then it slowed not a lot and they are in danger of getting behind the competition.
     
  2. solutionsetc

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    I dunno. Everyone I have turned on to a dvr has been thrilled. Even those with serious initial reservations that took additional harping.

    Perhaps. Depending on the experience. If it is tedious to browse whats on or if I am forced to sit through commercial breaks it is not for me. Currently it is not for me.
     
  3. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    So in 1999, having a DVR to record over a VCR was worth the $6.95, but today having a DVR to record over a VCR is now worth nothing? So TiVo could just drop the DVR function because it no longer has value?
     
  4. atmuscarella

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    I don't understand people who are willing to watch commercial TV without a DVR. I refuse to be told when I can watch something and that I have to find something else to do for 18 mins every hour because of commercials. I also don't understand people who pay big bucks for an HD TV and then are willing to stream lower quality video off the Internet when basically the highest quality you can get (other than blu-ray) is free from OTA.

    But each to his own -

    I do not think TiVos cost too much at the upgrade deal of $470 for a Premiere with lifetime that most of us can get. Not sure about the deals for new users which appear to be $700 for unit with lifetime or $99 with service at $19.99/mo unless you buy from ebay.

    So for me my TiVos increase my enjoyment of TV much more than their costs and they don't need to change one thing for that to be true for a long time.

    I have a very good PC connected to my home entertainment system it is easy to use with the wireless mini keyboard and mouse that I have so I can stream anything from any web site I want - but rarely use it. I am sure streaming is going to become more and more popular but it has a long way to go before it will better than OTA with a good DVR.

    Now if someone is still paying for cable or sat and doesn't want to give up the variety they would have to give up by going OTA only then streaming may be the answer - but I still think you need OTA with a good DVR.

    Thanks,
     
  5. Krandor

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    What people expect out of products change over time.

    In 1999 I paid $1500 for a new computer. Would I pay $1500 for that same computer today? no.

    In 1999 $6.95/month was worth it for a basic DVR. Would I pay $6.95 today for a basic DVR? no.

    Same principle and a lot has to do with competition and what the other options are. If another company offers the same basic DVR but also features X, Y, and Z for $6.95/month then the company offering just the basic DVR for $6.95/month is no longer worth it.

    Is the basic DVR worth nothing? no. However, the basic DVR isn't worth $6.95/month if other companies offer more features for the same money.
     
  6. lrhorer

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    Yeah, OK. It is still true today that people do not realize all the things a DVR can do for the user, and in particular what the TiVo can do over and above what the competition can do. This is even true of many TiVo owners. There are a lot of users who insist on thinking of a TiVo as basically just a large, easy to program VCR.

    True enough. In some cases this is simply because of a gerneral apathy towards TV viewing, but in many cases, it is a matter of "not knowing what they are missing".

    A former colleague of mine had an Aunt who swore she would never purchase or use a computer. She was visting my colleague for a few days, and went on endlessly about how they were too "complicated" and how there wasn't anything they could offer her. As it happens, she was also a huge soap opera fanatic (go figure). At some point, she made some comment more or less to the effect, "There's nothing about soap operas on the computer." Um, yeah, right. Of course he fired up his PC, did a Google search for "soap opera", and within moments had literally millions of hits on, well, you name it. When she started talking about going to a computer store, my colleague pointed out she could order a PC online and have it waiting when they got back home. She ordered her husband to drag out his credit card and buy one immediately.

    I strongly disagree. Well, actually, rather than disagreeing, I take exception to the phrase "thinking about setting up". In essence, I almost never think about setting up the TiVo ahead of time. The TiVo thinks about setting up the recording ahead of time, making the end result experientially much the same, with one huge advantage for the TiVo. VOD selections are just as filled with junk as the raw channel listings. Although time shifting is an important aspect of both the DVR and VOD, the most important fucntion of the TiVo is it acts as a filter, getting rid of the masses of garbage in which the user has no interest. Searching through the NetFlix listings or the VOD offerings from HBO, Showtime, etc, is just about as tedious and wasteful of time as searching the guide listing for shows to record. The beauty of the TiVo is such activities are completely unnecessary, and until the VOD services have the same capability to eliminate the garbage, they remain inferior.
     
  7. lrhorer

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    It's not really a bug, per se, and it may not be possible to fix it. The TiVo has to re-calculate the contents of the folder, and all administrative processes must be at a low priority, with real-time processes being pre-emptive of administrative process whenever necessary. What they could do, perhaps, instead of flashing the, "No Recordings" banner, is they could flash, "Please Wait" or some such. It would not get you the recordings list any faster, but it would at least alleviate the annoyance with the apparently blank folder.
     
  8. lrhorer

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    What evidence do you have to support this notion? We received a bug fix release just a few weeks ago, and bug fix releases continue to be pushed out for S2 and S3 units. The same release also had a couple of additional features for the S3. To be sure, I expect most development to be for the Premier, but TiVo has in the past and by all indiciations continues to be supportive of their older systems.
     
  9. MrSkippy53

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    Ya with TiVo you can stream to other devices like an IPad and stream recorded shows to other boxes in the house even if the CCI bit is set. Oh wait that's the competition not TiVo...
     
  10. Johncv

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    That part of the agreement between Cox and TiVo. Apparently the Tivo Premiere can support VOD from Cox. If only the court case between E* and TiVo would come to an end (with Tivo winning). Then all the agreement Tivo made will move forward. Everything is in a holding pattern until this happen.
     
  11. Johncv

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    You are aware that Time-Warner issue an app for the iPad to do just that, but are being sue by the various channels to remove them from the app. Here the latest news:

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20049883-93.html?tag=cnetRiver
     
  12. tivogurl

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    The actual behavior should be user-selectable, but what I'm thinking of is always clipping the lower-priority show (should be the later one) when the two conflicting shows are on the same channel. That way you can pad the earlier show 5 minutes, and pad the later one 5 minutes. You get a total recorded time of 2:05 divided between two shows, you record on one tuner just as if they didn't overlap, and don't need to write to two files.

    If you want the current behavior just choose the other option.
     

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