Breaking Bad "Kafkaesque" OAD 5/16/10

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  1. gchance

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    What I took away from that whole scene was that she was getting off on telling a tall tale. Her audience (which included Walt) was CAPTIVATED by it. If you noticed, she paused before talking about the last $14,000, it looked like she was done, but then decided to take it to another level.

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  2. mctbow

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    33K a week x 51 weeks (Taking a week off at Christmas) = $1,683,000 Tax Free.

    And that's IF he splits it evenly with the other two.
     
  3. billboard_NE

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    I loved how Walt leaned in to hear the rest of the story. He was also waiting to hear how the story ended.
     
  4. john4200

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    51 weeks? Jesse is lucky to make it 51 hours before he screws it up!
     
  5. TampaThunder

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    Not to mention it won't take long before Gus finds out when word gets back to him that someone else is also selling the good blue stuff out on the street.
     
  6. Tivortex

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    Yep, Pinkman is toast.
     
  7. catcard

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    Exactly! What an idiot!
     
  8. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    It's not about the money for Jesse. The whole story that he told in the NA meeting about making the wooden box was supposed to clue us in to the fact that Jesse is more interested in being involved in something in a hands-on manner rather than as merely a passive participant. By cooking in the Walt-cave and never seeing the distribution side, he feels like a passive participant and that doesn't satisfy his need for hands-on involvement.
    I don't think Walt would have much objection to Jesse being killed. Walt wouldn't float the idea himself, and would be initially repulsed, but I think he'd realize that Jesse being gone would relieve a major liability. As long as Walt wasn't doing the killing, I think he wouldn't protest much. Or at least, if he's not to that point yet, he's quickly headed that way.
    My issue with that is that I don't think Badger and Skinny Pete are smart enough and good enough actors to pull that off, even if it was Jesse's idea. It just seemed way too smooth and the timing was too good.
    It was definitely a cumulative measurement, but I wonder if they'd already calibrated the scale for the weight of the containers. Each of those tubs probably weighs about a pound each, so unless the scale was calibrated to take that weight out, then they didn't actually have any extra.
     
  9. john4200

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    I agree that Jesse is not doing it just for the money. But if he wants to run a business and be a boss, there are a lot less stupid businesses he could get into, especially after he works for a few months and gets his $1.5M. Even if he must get back into the drug dealing business, there are a lot less stupid ways to do it than stealing from the ruthless guy who currently is content to pay him $1.5M for 3 months of work, and selling drugs to people in a rehab group.
     
  10. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    But the point is that Jesse isn't a book smart guy. He has some street smarts, but that's it. He's simply doing what he's familiar with, because he's done it before and knows that it gave him satisfaction. I'm sure if he sat down and thought about it, he'd realize that with his $1.5 million, he could buy a very nice woodshop and set up a completely legit furniture-making business. And if Saul were halfway decent, he'd ask Jesse what he's interested in and find a business like that where Jesse could launder his money. But instead, nobody involved thinks about these things for more than two seconds, because that's not how they operate. They're simply acting on impulse and experience, and neither of those things are in Jesse's favor.
     
  11. cheesesteak

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    The problem with Walt and Skylar openly paying for Hank's medical care is that eventually Hank is going to start asking questions about where the money came from. I doubt if Walt's secret gambling success story will hold up to much scrutiny. MAybe if Skylar didn't blindside everyone with the gambling story he could have had Saul set some secret trust fund up.
     
  12. jeff125va

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    I dunno, from the perspective of everyone else, it's a lot easier to believe that about Walt than it would be to believe the truth. I really do think though that she should have left out the part about losing their last $14K. It would make more sense if he had their life savings as a bankroll to get started.

    But yeah, they could have set up a web site like Junior did. I wonder if it ever occurred to Skyler about the true source of most of that money?
     
  13. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Especially when someone wants to know what Walt's "system" is so they can use it themselves, and Walt can't provide the requisite details. Or when someone wants to know where they can find an illegal, backroom high-stakes game of blackjack in the Albuquerque area.
    But can't they just say that Walt was gambling the money that was donated from the website? Sure it's despicable, but if you're going with the gambling story, and you say that he lost all their savings before suddenly turned it around and now has over $1 million, the only source of funds is the donations from the website. And since those were relatively substantial, the story holds up.
     
  14. jeff125va

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    I'm thinking the only "someone" in question really would be Hank. Either he has a general idea of how card counting works, and figures that if Walt is pretty smart at science then he's probably good with math as well. Or he just wouldn't understand much beyond the basics anyway so as long as Walt could b.s. his way through those, I don't foresee it being a major problem.

    Probably, but it might not be necessary. I don't necessarily think it's a flaw in her narrative per se, I just didn't see the purpose of making that part of it up, other than maybe to make Walt look bad. He could have re-started with a few hundred dollars from his next paycheck, it just would have taken longer to get to over $1M.
     
  15. chsscgas

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    Anybody have any thoughts on this?
     
  16. Carlucci

    Carlucci Hiding The Decline

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    My thought is that is akin to the tolerance that a drug user develops. For example a heroin user or maybe even a meth head has to take more and more just get back to the initial baseline high that they got the first time.

    So, after all Walt's been through, he thought his negotiating with Pollo was going to give him that high--whether it was going to get confrontational, being threatened, whatever. When that failed to materialize, he needed to get his high some other way, so he pegged out his crappy Aztek and closed his eyes.

    Endorphins delivered.

    (other than that I got nothing)
     
  17. robojerk

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    His conscience maybe? He just said to Gus he respected the plan,which is probably true, but at the same time he just admitted to himself that he was cool with Gus sending gunmen to kill his brother in law. How far would he actually be cool with?

    I'm sure that last bit of him that's still moral was being eaten up inside of him, and maybe just hated himself just a little.

    That's just my thought on it.
     
  18. DevdogAZ

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    I think it had to do with the fact that he just realized that he's gotten in way deeper than he every intended. Initially, he rejected the idea of $3 million for 3 months. Then he accepted it, but that's all he was going to do, then he was out. Now he's just basically committed himself to continue cooking indefinitely, and he's endangering those he loves in the process. He's past the point of no return and he knows it, and perhaps he thought that ending it all would be the easy way to deal with his problems.
     
  19. john4200

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    I wonder if Walt will be clever enough to, shall we say, take out a life insurance policy.

    I'm sure Gus is uncomfortable with anyone knowing anything about his operation, and Walt knows almost everything. Now there is no immediate reason for Gus to have Walt killed, but in 6 months or a year, who knows?

    If I were Walt, I'd write up several letters with everything I know about Gus' operation, seal them, and address them to various law enforcement agencies. Then I would get a couple of out of town law firms to hold the letters and only mail them in the event of my death. Then I would, as non-confrontationally as possible, inform Gus of what I had done and why (I need to insure my life and the security of my family).
     
  20. getreal

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    Having just rewatched this episode, I caught a couple of more things.

    Right after the hospital bed scene where Hank was tested for feeling in his feet and legs, and the following scene with the insurance agent and doctor consulting with Marie about the therapy Hank would be entitled to under the terms of his insurance policy, there was a quick cut to a foot getting massaged, filmed against a blurred background. The allusion is to Hank getting the proper therapy for his feet. Until the background comes into focus and we see Jesse entering the nail salon, and the camera pulls back to reveal sleazy lawyer Saul getting the foot therapy. :eek: :up:

    Here is my interpretation: This scene followed the trailer scene where Walt has a sit-down with Gus to "clear the air", and ended with Gus' offer of "$12 million a year ... let's call it $15 ... open-ended". Then Walt is driving on the highway, and steps on the accelerator. The music plays a drum beat which accelerates with the increasing speed of the vehicle, and with Walt's heart rate as the tension increases. He knows he has just done a "deal with the Devil", and perhaps challenges God to give him a sign that he is still a good man and deserves to live. As he closes his eyes, the music transitions to wind chimes and peaceful, serene new-age music, perhaps indicating that Walt is releasing his fate to the Powers That Be -- until he is snapped back to reality by the blaring horn of the oncoming semi. He now KNOWS that he wants to live, and the horn of the semi was the signal (literally and figuratively) that Walt must keep his wits about him, and he must now struggle to maintain control of the vehicle in order to live, as he must maintain control of his life as the fates of others are also affected by his existence.

    So my interpretation of the scene was that it was just a metaphor about life.
     

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