Brand new to Tivo Bolt OTA from expired WMC

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  1. Jan 5, 2020 #1 of 24
    Dave with Bolt

    Dave with Bolt New Member

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    Hello,
    I just received my Tivo Bolt from FedX delivery on Sunday (yes, Sunday @ 10AM). Having gone through initial set-up (lifetime subscription installed already by Tivo) of about an hour, I have a few questions about using the Bolt (Oct. 2019).

    I have read about the heating issue & remedies thereof. How do you find the temperature on the menu OR do I need a thermometer w/readout for this? Being brand new, I don't want to open it up until I have to, apparently for hard drive replacement. I do have it elevated and the cable card door removed as I have read in postings, but is there an internal readout for heat?

    For the channel search, the Bolt did fine with the guide, but actual results differed. Some weak channels did not televise, so I ran an antenna signal test. The signal on a strong channel was good, but taking the advice from the sidebar of going up or down channels, shuts off the Tivo, only to go through restarting process. Is this inherent or must I go through each channel by leaving the antenna strength page to return with desired channel to test? The strength meter appears fine on the one channel, drifting a little each second or two of time.

    The channel up goes Cuckoo and the channel down does the reverse. Is there any way to silence this and all sound effects? It is disturbing coming from 15 years of Windows Media Center and the near silence it had.

    What would it have taken Tivo to include a users manual? I went online to read it and it is short enough, yet inclusive for anyone who desires it.

    If WMC didn't go belly up as of January 1st with no more TV guide, I would have stayed with it. Tivo was chosen as DVR of choice by many cord cutters, so here I am at this point frustrated at something seemingly untweakable compared to what WMC was. Does anyone have any methods of remedy for me or is it simply "get used to it, it's Tivo!"?

    One last observation is that my remote (voice) uses 2 AA batteries inserted the same way. Is this a 3 Volt remote? What is the life span of your batteries? From what I remember, the lower the Voltage, the more efficient a device is. Anyone have a 9 Volt device and another like device that uses 2 AAA's? Sure, the 9 Volt device delivers, but the battery has a shorter life span versus the AAA device. OR am I wrong with this, being the batteries are inserted into the remote drawing 1 1/2 Volts TOTAL, extending the life expectancy of the batteries, thusly a highly efficient remote?

    Thank-You for reading this and especially for remedies in your responses. Like I mentioned, Tivo is new to me and I wish to incorporate it into my life.

    Regards,

    Dave with Bolt
     
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  2. Jan 5, 2020 #2 of 24
    Dave with Bolt

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    I posted the same in 2 areas, finding ODT temp (60) and sound settings (off), with the AC Infinity a subsequent temp solution. The signal test is a blip on Tivo's end, they just need to fix the error. Still curious of the remote control use, being 3 Volts (?) & the battery longevity by other users. Something new to add is every 8th line of the TV guide has Tivo on it. How do I get rid of this, as I want the Bolt as a OTA DVR, not any pay movies or apps. Is a complete initial set up necessary and not press the Tivo+ option this next time? TV guide real estate is a valuable thing ...
     
  3. Jan 5, 2020 #3 of 24
    Mikeguy

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    New TiVo boxes generally come with the latest TE4 (TiVo Experience 4) user interface loaded onto them. You can sidegrade back to the earlier TE3 UI, which (at least currently, and hopefully forever into the future) does not do TiVo pre-roll ads nor the TiVo+ "service" (or list the latter in the TiVo Guide). How to Rollback Hydra from Roamio and Mini's v1 (works for the Bolt box as well, for all but the specifically-denominated Bolt OTA box). Many users prefer the TE3 UI.

    Note that in sidegrading back to TE3, you lose the recordings on your box (but can transfer them to your PC first and then back again (to the extent not copy-protected) using pyTivo Desktop), voice control, the sleek TE4 interface, AutoSkip, and compatibility with the TiVo Mini WiFi Adapter. But you also gain a mostly ad-free experience (no pre-roll ads nor TiVo+ or its listing), the TiVo non-grid Guide, Suggestions that works, the ability to transfer shows between TiVo boxes from the boxes themselves, TiVo inter-box show transfers that don't glitch up (as often happens under TE4), and the PC -> TiVo box show transfer capability.

    To easily lower your TiVo box ODT even further, passively: remove the cablecard compartment cover (!); and put the four corners of the box on risers (water bottle or other beverage container caps work great, and are cheap, lol). More actively, you also can put the TiVo box on a laptop/electronics fan cooling pad, or blow air at the box (small AC Infinity fans are great for this, and are well-liked here and inexpensive; available at Amazon.com).

    The remote: I get 6+ months from alkaline batteries in my TiVo Slide Pro remote (note that it has buttons that will light up, and so uses more battery power), and significantly less from old-type lead batteries (got a whole bunch at a Black Friday sale, that I now need to use up, lol). Many people use rechargeables. Note that the System Info. screen that you got the box ODT info. from also lists a power-remaining percentage for your remote.

    Hope this helps some--
     
  4. Jan 6, 2020 #4 of 24
    Dave with Bolt

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    Thanks Mike for your time & effort replying to my questions so explicitly. I have not encountered any ads in video playback of any shows recorded tonight, nor do I see any as I travel around Tivo. What ads do you mean, "buy Nike shoes" or "drink our stuff" as you mention pre-rolls? None appear as such or commercials in playback. Only my recordings appear with pictures of them (suggestions to watch now or next?). Very clean from what I expected. Quick mode is excellent, being used to using it on WMC and Sony VCR's back into the 1980's ... wouldn't have bought the Bolt if it didn't have it, a real deal maker or breaker here (what other DVR has "quick mode", even though a little late, having purchased the Bolt?).

    You get about 6 months from your batteries, which is fair. I am concerned about all the steps necessary pushing the remote's buttons to get desired results; not enough direct go-to buttons to get things done in the fewest steps (thinking of a totally green newbie who would find solving a Rubik's cube easier). Quick Mode took me about 15 minutes of trial & error, finally on a Google page finding "search" & "ok" are the same, then it worked. There is no search button on my remote which through me off (different remotes for different years / models?). Also in diagnostics, remote = unknown (too new?). Alas, a lot of buttons to push = shortened battery life.

    I am using 4 near same size socket wrench "heads" (or whatever they are called) to prop up the Bolt and am using an small antique desk fan blowing under and over the unit, resulting in a 2 degree difference, lowering it to 58. The Infinity S7 or likewise mentioned here / by you is worth looking into.

    Whatever version of interface I have seems to please me, so why revert to TE3? The only (main) peeve left is every 8th line in the TV guide has been Tivo utilized with waste. Is this the result of clicking yes to Tivo+ on set-up? Shall I re-run initial set-up again, not clicking Tivo+ this time through it? Or call Tivo to see if they can remove it? I can find phone "patience" to figure this out, then I can be done with this "test-Tivo-out" temporary set-up (I have wires all around), and shelf it for use. At worst, I'll get used to it and use it for skipping 2 hours ahead on guide instead of 1/2 hour at a time.

    Regards,

    Dave with Bolt


     
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    Ouch!
     
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    Ouch! sorry for the dup.
     
  8. Jan 6, 2020 #8 of 24
    Mikeguy

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    The pre-roll ads are a relatively new "feature" added by TiVo, to generate more income for it--as the name suggests, a commercial that TiVo injects when the user plays a show back, injected before the show begins. It can be skipped with the press of a button. Some people are fine with this; other people detest it. TiVo may still be rolling this out onto boxes--it may not have hit yours yet. If you get the "feature" and don't like it, a call to TiVo customer service asking (resolutely) that the feature be removed will be honored by TiVo (although the pre-roll ads may return later with a revised software download, in which case one needs to call TiVo again). Unfortunately, there is no way to eliminate the TiVo+ listings in the TiVo Guide, in the TE4 UI. There is much discussion in the forum about these "features."

    Sidegrading back to the earlier UI (TE3) avoids the pre-roll ads and the TiVo+ Guide listings, as TiVo hasn't added those "features" to TE3. Other reasons for TE3 over TE4 are as listed above--some people (myself included) don't want to lose the TE3 features that TE4 drops. Again, much discussion in the forum about TE3 vs. TE4.

    Some TiVo remote number key shortcuts you might like, used at the TiVo Central screen:
    • 1 - OnePass Manager (1Pass)
    • 2 - To-Do List (2Do)
    • 3 - Wish List (as in the movie, "3 Coins in the Fountain")
    • 4 - Search screen (as in, "search 4")
    • 5 - Browse screen
    • 6 - History screen
    And a QuickMode speed adjustor:
     
  9. Jan 6, 2020 #9 of 24
    HerronScott

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    I think you mean Select and OK being the same.

    Scott
     
  10. Dave with Bolt

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    Today my guide is slick and clean with NO extra wasted entries! Go figure ... maybe the Bolt had to go a day to entirely set up or possibly factor in my viewing habits / needs. Guide is perfect, even glorious! Quick Mode is perfect! Happy camper here! All I have to do is get used to all the remote buttons to get my desired results. WMC is/was simple compared to the Bolt. I haven't mentioned that I have a Channel Master CM-7500TB1 (no Quick Mode / speed play) and it is a breeze to use. Both the WMC & CM are straight forward with their guides, to record a show, and playback, whereas the Bolt is convoluted even for the easiest of tasks, although a plethora of foreground info is available for many levels of Tivo geeks. Even with the superficial value of a glorious TV guide (compared to WMC & CM) & Quick Mode, is the Bolt worth the time & effort trying to accomplish seemingly the easiest of tasks? Do I need to go through this learning curve or sell it on eBay or Craigslist for say $400 w/life subscription? The jury, so to speak, is out on this ... will decide quickly if I keep, return, or sell the Bolt.
     
  11. Dave with Bolt

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    Thanks Mike & Scott for your help here with me, I need to learn the Tivo lingo. I will try the 1-6 shortcuts you mention and look for the Quick Mode speed adjuster to see where it is set and adjust as needed. I noticed voices were higher pitched, thinking the TV sound was being diverted around the Bolt, which I have temporarily in front of it for set-up & testing out purposes, so I'll wait until the acoustics return to whatever normal is once the Bolt is in it's home space. And I did mean Select & OK ...
     
  12. Mikeguy

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    Oops, my bad: the QuickMode speed adjustment feature, the last I heard, only works on the TE3 UI, not TE4/Hydra. :( Sorry 'bout that. I guess, another reason why some people might prefer TE3 to TE4. ;) I believe, however, that the number key shortcuts work on TE4 as well as TE3 (at least, I don't believe that anyone here has posted otherwise).

    Also, it (the QuickMode speed adjustment) is an undocumented feature, randomly dropped here by TiVo_Ted from TiVo in the above posts.
     
  13. Dave with Bolt

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    The TV guide Tivo+ 8th line reappeared after a loose ethernet was reconnected and I manually went through the menu and updated the Bolt to the internet. I then experimented with removing the ethernet connection (same 8th Tivo+), placing the Bolt on standby (same 8th Tivo), then I unplugged the Bolt for a moment ... Voila! The guide looses every 8th line filled by Tivo+ and is slick and clean! My theory is leave the ethernet cable off until I need a TV guide update, plug the ethernet cable in when I do a Bolt update, receive new guide with Tivo+, exit all and disconnect ethernet & unplug for a moment again. I will update this post with any deviations of my findings.
     
  14. Dave with Bolt

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    My Rovi guide is back on WMC (through Jan. 21). Someone made note of this while EPG123 searching & I checked ... it was there. Win7 support ends Jan. 14 ... what of this Jan. 21 guide?
     
  15. Audiophiletom

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    Help ,I have TiVo bolt ota 1Tb not Vox and it will not let me revert back ,tried repeat guided setup 2 thumbs down 2 rewinds and then select ,nothing happens.advise
     
  16. Mikeguy

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    Sorry: it looks like you don't have the option. As I tried to mention above, the specifically-denominated Bolt OTA box* cannot be reverted back to TE3 . . . . :( Nor can the newest TiVo Edge platform be reverted back to TE3. :( :(

    * And as distinct from, e.g., the TiVo Bolt box which will work with either OTA or cable.
     
  17. JoeKustra

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    I'm under the impression that if the model number ends in V it can't be rolled back. But that may be wrong since "not VOX" sounds like the older Bolt. Anyway to tell from the part number?
     
  18. Mikeguy

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    Danged if I know--I'm just going by TiVo_Ted's earlier post that the Bolt OTA box cannot be reverted to TE3. I've been assuming that it's not a "V"/VOX capability issue but rather the "OTA"--that the Bolt OTA software never included the reversion option.
     
  19. Audiophiletom

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    Thanks!
     
  20. Audiophiletom

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    Tablo is starting to look mighty fine right now !!!
     

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