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  1. Dec 4, 2010 #341 of 387
    tcfcameron

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    What do you think that the people who call in, and are told $299, get when they ask why not the $199, like on the website?

    People have already posted that they were told $199 was only if you bought from TiVo, through their upgrade program.

    TiVo's upgrade program prices the box at $269.00, then + $199 for PLS, if you have PLS on a qualifying previous generation TiVo.

    I actually don't have an issue with what I paid for PLS, anymore. I paid the proper price, since I had not bought directly from TiVo, under the upgrade program.

    The issue is, that somehow an unknown number of TiVo CSRs were offering (or honoring requests for) $199 PLS for TiVos bought from other sources, which are not a part of the TiVo upgrade program (and they may not have even had an "eligible" existing PLS TiVo on their account, which is a condition for the $199 PLS).

    So, each and every one who bought from sources, other than TiVo, and then received PLS for $199, did not pay the correct price.

    Those who got it on the luck of the draw, on the first call, likely didn't conspire to get pricing they were not entitled to (or did, and were lucky).

    Those who posted here about playing "CSR Roulette", knew they were gaming the system, but some probably thought $199 was the "correct price".

    Those who posted here about buying under one set of circumstances, then transcribed their TiVo interaction, complete with the lies they used, committed fraud, if they received $199 PLS.

    I'll admit, that I advised people, in prior posts, to try CSR Roulette. But, I never once implied that anybody should give false/fraudulent information.

    I don't recall accusing you of anything directly. If I did, I apologize, and ask that you point me to the post I (allegedly) did it in, and I'll retract it.

    ...And, yes, my current opinions/positions, on matters that were posted as opinions/positions, have changed. No need to point it out.

    Final note: When I say "posted here" or "people have posted", I mean the whole of TCF, not just this one, single thread.
     
  2. Dec 4, 2010 #342 of 387
    ~kyle

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    So what? Who cares? Why would you keep going to TiVo "management" concerning this anyway? I'm an existing customer and I paid $299 for liftime on my 6ave premiere, if someone was able to get it for $199 I'm not going to go crying to TiVo management about how that's not fair. If they got it, good for them.

    None of my emails from customer support have any such disclaimer whatsoever.
     
  3. Dec 4, 2010 #343 of 387
    slowbiscuit

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    Again, this is complete BS, because there is no way to commit what you call 'fraud' to get the $199 activations for boxes purchased before 11/14. You are either eligibile for it when you the Tivo CSR checks your account or you are not. No amount of lying is going to get you that price if the rep does his/her job and verifies that you don't have upgrade-eligible boxes.

    Also again, there is nothing on tivo.com (that I have seen) that says that the $199 PLS is ONLY for boxes purchased from them. All we have is anecdotal evidence that this is the case (from CSRs or whoever), but if it was programmed into the computer to not allow it as you claimed before then clearly we should not have been able to get it.

    This is a simple case of CSR lotto, same as it usually is for deals like this. There is no fraud here if the boxes were purchased before 11/14, and it's ignorant to claim such.
     
  4. Dec 4, 2010 #344 of 387
    smbaker

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    What he posted appears to be a standard email disclaimer attached to *some* messages that Tivo employees write. A quick google of the disclaimer text showed it posted in:

    * a usenet newsgroup
    * a yahoo group
    * a blog
    * a mailing list

    Each group was public, and each of these posts was made by a Tivo employee, usually from an email address at tivo.com. Many organizations will attach these disclaimers to emails, it's standard boilerplate. It likely shows he got an email from a person at Tivo rather than a reply from the customer service system, for whatever that's worth.

    It's funny seeing such a disclaimer attached to a public email that a Tivo employee made about going to see a singer at a bar (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/rust/message/260224), but things like this are common with corporate email systems.

    It's not an 'NDA', as was claimed. NDA implies agreement, and people generally know when they've signed or otherwise agreed to one.
     
  5. Dec 4, 2010 #345 of 387
    lessd

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    About 1/3 of my EMails from people have that disclaimer attached, I never paid any attention to it until this post, I guess the senders think they are getting some type of protection, some co. after purchase send you a notice about things they think are part of the purchase, it's not, as two people must agree in advance of any transaction the full terms of that transaction, that why TiVo may now be reading the Lifetime stuff to people (not your lifetime but the TiVos lifetime etc). I would guess that if i got an E-Mail in error from say GM telling dealers the brake on XYZ car must be replaced and I shared that E-Mail that had the disclaimer attached I could not be prosecuted. Just look at Wikileaks, don't you think all that correspondence had some type of disclaimer attached and the NYT did publish a lot of it.
     
  6. Dec 4, 2010 #346 of 387
    PedjaR

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    NDA is an acronym for Non-Disclosure Agreement. Can't have NDA if you did not agree to keep information confidential. Somebody giving you info and adding disclaimer with/after it has nothing to do with NDA.

    When you state something as a fact, rather than your opinion, people apparently tend to ask for a proof. That's should not be very surprising, and is not a sign that somebody is picking on you. But when something you state as a fact is not only obviously unprovable, but also very likely to be untrue, such as
    you appear somewhat less than a completely trustworthy source.

    You also say
    I'd be curious as to how many people would feel like that, and especially how many would admit to that. "I got a bad deal, so everybody else should get a bad deal" is, IMO, not a particularly admirable way of thinking.
     
  7. Dec 4, 2010 #347 of 387
    tcfcameron

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    I wasn't the one who originally made reference to an NDA (nondisclosure agreement):

    My Reply (simply using "NDA", since that's what smbaker was referring to, was a simplification):

     
  8. Dec 4, 2010 #348 of 387
    tcfcameron

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    Blanket/bulk reply:

    I draw the line at name calling. The people doing so, don't deserve my time, or information, that I would otherwise share.

    As far as everything that I have not responded to, is still open-ended, or lives on without my continued input: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

    Enjoy all the... ...whatever. I have other things to do.
     
  9. Dec 4, 2010 #349 of 387
    WVZR1

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    It seems, you're "dangerously close" to the "EDGE"! You might like to step back a good bit before a "big breeze" maybe blows you "OFF" into the "ABYSS"!
     
  10. Dec 4, 2010 #350 of 387
    smbaker

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    I think the bit of the disclaimer that actually matters is what disclaims the actions of the sender of the email, this part: "No employee or agent of TiVo Inc. is authorized to conclude any binding agreement on behalf of TiVo Inc. by email. Binding agreements with TiVo Inc. may only be made by a signed written agreement."

    The rest of the disclaimer, the confidentiality part, probably doesn't mean a whole lot. It's legal silliness probably more intended to encourage people to voluntarily keep the letter confidential than to actually be enforceable.

    The appropriate thing to do if you don't know what "NDA" means is to google it rather than stating that you have one. A NDA is not a 'simplification' of a disclaimer. They're two different things.

    Back to our regularly scheduled programming!

    I, for one, am enjoying my $95 Tivo with lifetime. It was a good deal, and I'm glad the OP posted it and that I jumped at it when I did!
     
  11. Dec 4, 2010 #351 of 387
    alyssa

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    Yeah, but with the $20 buck/month plan
    ;)
     
  12. Dec 4, 2010 #352 of 387
    lessd

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    True, $20/month for now, but for parts or to see what happends after Dec 31st $90 is not much of a risk.
     
  13. Dec 5, 2010 #353 of 387
    smbaker

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    Make sure you check the other threads. There appears to be a deal in the neighborhood of $70 at buy.com.
     
  14. Dec 5, 2010 #354 of 387
    moyekj

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    Just ordered via Amazon (fulfilled by ANTOnline) for $73.70 shipped mostly for a spare - hard to go wrong at that price. I will try and get $199 or else $299 lifetime on it if TiVo will take my money, else I'll just tell them I don't want service on it and perhaps wait a few months to see how things shake out. (I do see upgrade offer of $199 for PLS on my account which my S3 with lifetime makes me eligible for, so perhaps that gives me a chance).
     
  15. Dec 5, 2010 #355 of 387
    innocentfreak

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    Damn you made me look. They have a XL for $213.
     
  16. Dec 5, 2010 #356 of 387
    moyekj

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    Sorry. ;) Just curious why the interest in XL when Premiere hard drive upgrades are a piece of cake thanks to Comer?
     
  17. Dec 5, 2010 #357 of 387
    innocentfreak

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    I honestly haven't followed his threads since I originally upgraded to the XLs before we knew if they would be even possible.

    Maybe I should look again. I doubt I will pull the trigger since I don't really need one, but it is tempting.
     
  18. Dec 5, 2010 #358 of 387
    lessd

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    Dam !! I can never get the best deal, the best I can now find now is $83.96 on Amazon by 6th AV, (less than 6th AV has on their web sight) I am going to call Amazon management and quoit your post and demand that I get the $73.70 price, note, buy.com is now over $95
     
  19. Dec 5, 2010 #359 of 387
    moyekj

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    If it's any consolation there was an indication at the time there was only 1 unit left at that price. buy.com has a very similar deal right now and at the time I was ordering, but I don't really trust ordering from them because of negative feedback. In any case I wouldn't sweat it too much as there seems to be plenty of deals popping up from time to time all over the place on the Premiere these days, so some patience will get you similar if not better price.
    (BTW my Amazon order already has estimated delivery of December 9th which is very quick delivery. My previous Premiere I got from Electronic Expo a few months back for $95 shipped took almost 2 weeks to receive, in part because it was shipped from East to West coast via ground).
     
  20. Dec 5, 2010 #360 of 387
    MikeAndrews

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    There's some comment about the THX optimization(?) software that's only on the XL. I have no idea what it does, if anything, but it's mentioned in the Premiere manual.

    If it's the same THX feature as on my OLED S3s, it displays a logo and makes a sound in full surround at power up and it sent some desperately needed money to George Lucas. :D
     

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