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Bought a Roamio for a great price, what are my options?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by TXNet88, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    You *would* be saving money relative to Comcast fees if you didn't have the Comcast boxes. You wouldn't have any "additional outlet" fees and would still receive the $2.50 customer-owned equipment credit.

    But, yeah, you'd need TiVo service and so would need All-In/Lifetime or a monthly/annual subscription, which would eliminate a chunk of the savings, extending the return on investment window. This is one reason TiVo used to emphasize their value in multi-room setups, as that's where the savings really add up.
     
  2. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    Cost is only part of the point and krkaufman's post covers that. Owning your own STBs/DVRs isn't for everyone and is really a fairly small niche, but it does give you better control over your programing and many prefer the TiVo UI with it's features. However you bought a 5 year old product (the base Roamio was released in fall of 2013) and didn't bother doing much research before hand so I am guessing you are not going to like owning your own equipment much as it actually takes effort and upfront money to get the most out of it and you have to deal with any issues that come up.
     
  3. ThAbtO

    ThAbtO TiVoholic by the bay

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    Its pretty easy to tell which model of Roamio.
    Basic = 4 tuners/cable or OTA
    OTA = 4 tuner/ OTA
    Plus/Pro = 6 tuners/ cable only

    I have the basic Roamio for which I have upgraded to a 4TB (hence the 4XL in my sig).
     
  4. randywalters

    randywalters AVS Old Timer

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    There's actually FIVE versions of the Roamio, but assuming the Tivo CSR properly identified it there is only one version that can tune either Cable or Antenna and that would be the original TCD846500. But i would still verify your exact model number so you can get accurate advice here. It matters.

    Roamio (AKA "Basic", 500GB, 75hr, 4 tuner, but either Antenna OR Cable - not both) TCD846500
    Roamio OTA (500GB, 75hr, 4 tuner, Antenna Only, does Not have a CableCard slot) TCD846510
    Roamio OTA (1TB, 150hr, 4 tuner, Antenna Only, does not have a CableCard slot) TCD846000
    Roamio Plus (6 tuner but Cable Only, 1TB, 150hr) TCD848000
    Roamio Pro (6 tuner but Cable Only, 3TB 450hr) TCD840300
     
  5. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    One minor correction - this model of Roamio is actually capable of BOTH Antenna or Cable, but it cannot receive both at the same time. When it is set up, it must be configured for one or the other, even though the capability to receive both signal types is built into the box.
     
  6. mdavej

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    As was stated early on, $20 is a great price for a cable card bracket, spare power supply and hard drive that could be used with a cheap Roamio OTA lifetime unit ($200-$400). This would be the best use of your purchase.
     
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  7. TXNet88

    TXNet88 New Member

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    Just to update everyone, the model is TCD846500 (so that would be the 4 turner one)? I think I'm going to keep it and enjoy it as is (which is to rid of the cablebox fee), and then later down the line I could invest in a hd homerun prime (which probably would be a better option since tivo can get costly). I did a cost analysis (assuming I am trying to use 2 tvs):

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only con to these setups is there is going to be some use on my internet network? From what I understand, I'd need a moca adapter which uses internet to run the mini (my router is in a far away room from where the mini would be), and I'd need internet to run the hdhr + download the app on a compatible streaming device/tv with the android software?

    Tivo cost (I factored in tax around my area in these numbers):
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    Roamio ~ $350 (assuming I find a deal with LT Subscription)
    Tivo Mini ~ $140 (assuming I find a deal again)
    Moca adapters ~ $180
    Total = $670 (Would take about 7.5 years to break even)

    HDHR cost:
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    Prime ~ $150
    1x Mibox streaming device ~ ($75)
    Total = $225 (2.5 years to break even)
     
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  8. krkaufman

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    Apples-to-apples, wouldn't the second HDHR setup require 2 Miboxes to support 2 TVs? As well as potentially extending wired networking to the TV locations to ensure sufficient bandwidth for the MPEG2 stream? And what about protected content, or is that not an issue?

    And just to confirm, the Roamio couldn't be connected via Ethernet to your router?

    Also, MoCA adapters can be had for much less, depending where you are on the cost-vs-production value spectrum (e.g.), and urgency (you just missed a sale on the TiVo Bridge). Speaking of urgency, TiVo has periodically had the Roamio OTA w Lifetime on sale, for as low as $200.
     
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  9. TXNet88

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    Thanks for the info. And from what I understand (and I may be wrong) I believe the hdhome prime would need a home network to get started, and I believe after that the unit itself could run off of one tv, so you would only need 1 mibox for the other (if not it would just have to be hooked up to the computer then). As for protected content, I believe its an issue now, but they are making a 6 tuner version (for around $199) that was presented at CES (no timeframe on when it will be released) that should address the DRM recording and playback issues.

    So to re-evulate, lets say a wifi extender with Ethernet would be involved for the tivo mini instead of moca:

    Tivo cost:
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    Roamio ~ $200 (assuming I find a deal with LT Subscription)
    Tivo Mini ~ $140 (assuming I find a deal again)
    Wifi extender with Ethernet for mini ~ $35
    Total = $375 (Would take about 4.2 years to break even)

    HDHR cost:
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    Prime ~ $150
    1x Fire TV streaming device ~ ($60 assuming find it on sale)
    Total = $210 (around 2.3 years to break even)

    That's assuming 2 tvs are used. If I add one more, it would dramatically increase things as the tivo setup would jump to 5.7+ years to break even, and adding one more streaming box (which I've seen fire tvs go on sale for $54.99 [$60 with tax]) with the hdhr would take 3 years even to break even.
     
  10. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    If MoCA is possible (i.e. available coax runs), stick with MoCA.
     
  11. krkaufman

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    The HDHomeRun Prime is just a networked CableCARD tuner (3 tuners, now; 6 w/ the Prime 6, if/when) and lacks any A/V outputs. Each TV would require some device and supported app to produce the interface to the Prime's tuners.

    Speaking of tuners and apples-to-apples, where in the HDHR setup is recording taking place?
     
  12. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Have you confirmed that the Android app for accessing the HDHR Prime content supports a wireless connection?
     
  13. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Per SiliconDust's web page for the Prime, a wired network connection is required for LiVe TV:
    IMG_3977.jpg

    And this requirement won't be changing for the Prime 6, per reports, since SD has said that the 6 won't include any built-in H.264/265 encoding capabilities (necessary to make the cable TV MPEG2 streams more wireless friendly). That said, wireless may be possible through alternative solutions that use the Prime as a tuner but reencode the stream for delivery to endpoints. (Similar to what TiVo offers with the built-in mobile streaming modules on later DVRs.)
     
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  14. krkaufman

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    Unless you're looking to position yourself for an OTA fallback, the cost of a CableCARD-capable 4-tuner Roamio and a MoCA adapter may not be that far off from what you could find for a used 6-tuner Roamio Plus|Pro with built-in MoCA bridging, plus mobile streaming functionality.

    (Lifetime'd 4-tuner BOLTs have even been available sub-$450, via special Lifetime transfer offers.)
     
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  15. TXNet88

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    So that would mean the hdhr would need to be connected to the router, and then I should theoretically be able to run 2 more devices in the same network?

    I just read it supports ps3 as a device, and I have one lying around, so that should suffice instead of paying $60 for a streaming device?

    Just trying to compare what would be a cheaper cost.

    As for the recording, you're right, I believe it doesnt work tv unless a annual $35/yr package is bought (but I think many users are using plex instead as a way). I'm not really looking for dvr capabilities though, just a way to run 2-3 tvs with my cable subscription without the constant set top /dta cost.
     
  16. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Not sure what you're saying/asking, here, but I'm fairly comfortable saying no. The bullet from the Prime features slide simply means a wired, functioning Prime could simultaneously tune and support 3 live TV streams to compatible devices/apps; that is, the Prime and each endpoint would need wired network connections. This limitation is due to the Prime having only 3 tuners; the Prime 6 will be able to support 6 simultaneous streams, though I expect the requirement would be bumped to a Gigabit Ethernet wired network connection for the Prime, since the cable MPEG2 bandwidth can exceed 20 Mbps per stream.

    Then, yeah, you should probably be able to put together a solution leveraging the Prime that will cost less than what a basic TiVo solution will set you back, an apples-to-crabapples comparison.
     
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  17. krkaufman

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    FYI... For example, see here: FS: Roamio Pro with All In (Lifetime)

    Also eBay.
     
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  18. krkaufman

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    Oh, also, given the special case of Comcast, the TiVo solution, as it works today, will give you access to Comcast's On Demand library from any of the TiVo boxes (though only one active stream at-a-time) at no additional cost.
     
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  19. mdavej

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    FWIW, I retired a similar Prime setup before switching to Tivo. I ran it for years, back when DRM still worked with WMC. Yes, you can do it for about the same cost as Tivo. But the drawbacks are many, as already pointed out, as well as having fewer tuners and more complexity. Plus you haven't considered the NAS (hard drive) you'll have to buy, or the DVR software which has an annual fee (unless you use the very limited Android Live Channels DVR) and/or Plex for sharing recordings elsewhere. Then when you start using it, you hit another level of frustration with the stripped down remote (no direct channel number entry, no sophisticated recording settings, etc.). Next you have to deal with the family figuring out how to use it.

    SD has been promising a 6 tuner version for many years (at least 5). In that time, one of their competitors (Ceton) actually delivered a 6 tuner device (I had one) then left the consumer market. So I'll believe that when I see it.

    Bottom line, Prime solution is deceptively cheap and simple until you start looking at all the puzzle pieces. The beauty of Tivo is you plug it in, and it works, and you never have to mess with it again.
     
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