Bolt HDMI-CEC support?

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by gfgray, Oct 23, 2015.

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Do you want TiVo to support HDMI-CEC so it will correctly respond to modern devices?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. No, I'm perfectly happy to just disable CEC on all my devices and just use a bigger remote.

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  4. What is HDMI-CEC?

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  1. Apr 16, 2016 #21 of 121
    TonyD79

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    The bolt doesn't go to sleep.
     
  2. Apr 16, 2016 #22 of 121
    wmcbrine

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    Yeah it does, if you put it in Standby (or it times out to Standby).
     
  3. Apr 16, 2016 #23 of 121
    TonyD79

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    Mine never sleeps.
     
  4. Apr 17, 2016 #24 of 121
    rainwater

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    You said it doesn't go to sleep, but it does if you use standby or the automated power savings. Many people who use Harmony remotes will put their TiVo to sleep when it is not in use.
     
  5. Apr 17, 2016 #25 of 121
    JoeKustra

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    Perhaps it's just a difference with the definition of "sleep"?
     
  6. Aug 13, 2016 #26 of 121
    bdraw

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    CEC has been around for almost 10 years and did get off to a rocky start. That being said, it woks really well for many.

    My parents have a TiVo, a 65" TV, an AVR and a Blu-ray player. They use the TiVo remote 90% of the time with just the power and volume buttons programmed to control the TV. When the TV turns on, it turns on the AVR (to the last input that was on the AVR) and the volume signal is sent via CEC to control the AVR's volume. It all works 100% reliably until someone puts a Blu-ray in. The disc starts playing automatically, but since the TiVo doesn't support CEC, someone has to hit the input button on the AVR to switch back to watch TV.

    Anyways, here are the reasons why TiVo should support CEC.
    1. TiVo mobile apps can control the volume and power of the HT (no programmable peanut can do this).
    2. Eliminate the need to program the TiVo remote, or at least do it automatically (CEC shares the model number on the bus).
    3. Promote the use of the TiVo remote over programmable alternatives.
    4. Improve interoperability with modern HDMI devices that support CEC.

    The only CEC features that are needed are One Touch Play (switch inputs), volume and powering on other devices. There is nothing in the spec that requires every device to support every command.

    And for any who voted no, TiVo should allow users to disable CEC. And TOSLINK can't pass Dolby Digital + the way ARC can, so not exactly a equal alternative.
     
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  7. Sep 7, 2016 #27 of 121
    Oldphile

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    If the TIVO Bolt supported HDMI CEC, I would only need the TIVO Bolt Remote. But as it is, when I turn on my TV (with the Bolt remote), the CEC command from the TV turns on my AVR which then switches to ARC HDMI input (connected to my TV). Then, I have to pick up the AVR remote and change the source. Perhaps, if implemented, CEC control in the Bolt would only work if the Bolt was sleeping, but I would be okay with that.;)
     
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  8. Sep 7, 2016 #28 of 121
    Dan203

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    Or you can get a Slide remote and learn the input command for your AVR into the Input button on the TiVo remote. That's what I did.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2016 #29 of 121
    aaronwt

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    It doesn't work that with with CEC between my Sony Tv and Sony Speaker Bar. When turning the Tv on with the TiVo remote, the speaker bar comes on the input it was on when it was previously turned off. So if it was on the TiVo input, it will still be there.

    Now if I turn on any of my devices that use HDMi CEC, and have them set to turn other devices on. Then the Tv and speaker bar both turn on and the Speaker bar and HDMi switches all change to the correct input.
     
  10. Sep 7, 2016 #30 of 121
    Dan203

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    And since the TiVo is always on what event would trigger the CEC input change?
     
  11. Sep 7, 2016 #31 of 121
    aaronwt

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    Mine is typically in standby. So the video output coming on might do it.
     
  12. Sep 25, 2016 #32 of 121
    ohohtivo

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    Some notes.

    Voted yes; have been asking for CEC support the minute we got our Tivo.

    Not looking for extensive control of one device through another's remote. Main reason is just for proper power and input control / tracking.

    Setup: Samsung TV with exactly one 1 HDMI (including ARC) cable going to A/V closet (on different floor); connected to Yamaha receiver HDMI out. All devices connect to receiver HDMI inputs, including TiVo, Apple TV and Amazon Fire TV.

    Not using any IR. All RF remotes and IP control through a single iOS app.

    CEC works fine (as in: power and input switching) for those devices that support it. (Including volume control of receiver through Apple TV remote.)

    Annoying issue, as already mentioned on this thread: turn tv on, when TiVo was last viewed device, and sound will eventually switch to TV sound (via ARC). This happens after 10s of seconds, as TV starts up.

    Reason: TV comes on, asks for active device through HDMI CEC, no response from anything (as TiVo does not support CEC); TV decides to send internal sound to receiver.

    Don't know what is correct / compliant behavior, but had TiVo supported CEC, like the other devices, it would have claimed being the active device.

    Workaround (taylored): I have a server running anyway. It snoops on the CEC bus, detects the TV asking for active device, and if the last active device was the TiVo, it will respond in place of the TiVo. Basically, it proxies CEC for the TiVo.

    CEC has the notion of 'active device', i.e. device that 'owns' the screen. CEC devices will track which is the current active. E.g., on Apple TV remote, pressing the 'screen' button will wake things up, set inputs etc. Similar on Amazon remote.

    TiVo button on TiVo remote could do something similar; doesn't matter whether TiVo is in standby or not.

    Obviously would need options on TiVo to turn CEC on/off, whether to go to standby on system-wide power off, etc.


    (Note that in a setup with devices directly connected to the tv, CEC support on TiVo would switch the correct input on the tv, just like Apple TV and Amazon Fire TV. Without it, one has to typically use Samsung / IR remote to switch to the TiVo input, as there is no direct input select through IP on Samsung.)
     
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  13. Sep 25, 2016 #33 of 121
    mdavej

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    I voted, "no, turn off CEC and just use a bigger remote". Here's me holding my remote:
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  14. Sep 25, 2016 #34 of 121
    Steve

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    Why not when pressing the TiVo button? If the AVR is already on the TiVo input, would add'l requests to change to that input matter?
     
  15. Sep 26, 2016 #35 of 121
    TonyD79

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    Odd behavior a couple of posts above. I've had mixed cec and non-cec with arc and never had one device commandeer upon turning in my avr.

    I turned cec off because I couldn't control the cec devices without them taking over even though I was doing things like loading a blu Ray to watch a bit later.


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  16. Nov 14, 2016 #36 of 121
    andydumi

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    I went with Yes as well. Long needed function.

    It would be helpful to use a TV remote for the basic controls if nothing else. Play, pause, ff and rewind, guide. You guys make it seem like the Peanut remote is the be all end all, but realistically CEC can replace virtually the whole thing.

    And to those arguing how would the TV know to return to Tivo input, it's simple and many of you argue as if you have never used CEC. Any action on a device generally triggers focus to that device. If I am watching TV and hit a button on my PS4, it takes focus away and switches the TV and receiver to PS4. When I am done, I could hit a button on the tivo remote, which would then trigger the TV and receiver to switch back appropriately. This does not work today as Tivo lacks CEC. Instead I have to either hit input on the Tivo remote and slow cycle through 5 inputs (because Tivo's up/down, select dont work with Samsung TVs), or turn off the PS4 which, with CEC, triggers the TV and receiver to go back to what I was doing before, which is TV. Casting to a Chromecast (always on device) also takes focus to it automatically. Then I also can't return to Tivo without the Input button.

    It's a significant weakness that the Bolt should have fixed.
     
  17. Nov 14, 2016 #37 of 121
    Steve

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    If you eliminate question 4, looks like 50 out of 75 voters are in favor of CEC support. Since it would likely be implemented as an option, it would be a nice addition to the software, IMHO.

    As I mentioned earlier, I think the TiVo button could be the CEC trigger.
     
  18. Nov 16, 2016 #38 of 121
    CybrFyre

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    I was gonna ask if CEC could be enabled w sw.. or if hdmi chipset limits the options.

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  19. Dec 13, 2016 #39 of 121
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  20. Dec 14, 2016 #40 of 121
    JoeKustra

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    With Yamaha remote: Scene 1 = Blu-ray, Scene 2 = TiVo, Scene 3 = CD (same as Blu-Ray but different setup), Scene 4 = Roku 3. CEC, ARC, etc. all disabled. Scene button will turn on power too and easy to find in the dark. TV speakers are never used.
     

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