Bolt HDD development

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by telemark, Oct 12, 2015.

  1. jkozee

    jkozee New Member

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    Looks like as of 20.5.6.RC14 (perhaps prior?), the self format of a drive on a Roamio no longer includes the bootpage. The bootpage isn't required since it boots from mmca, but this change will require updates to mfstools.

    Are there additional changes on the Bolt, or is it just missing the bootpage as well?
     
  2. ggieseke

    ggieseke Well-Known Member

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    Just minor changes to "Block0" so far. It's still there, but bytes 2 & 3 are set to zero instead of 3-6 or vice versa, and the first byte of the bootstring is zeroed out as well.

    I would just look for the "1492" signature and move on from there.
     
  3. jkozee

    jkozee New Member

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    Thanks. Same is true for Roamio drives now that have been self formatted with 20.5.6.RC14. I'll start looking into required updates for mfstools. It will be able to identify the drive with the 1492 sig, but will choke on not being able to determine the boot/kernel/root set.
     
  4. jkozee

    jkozee New Member

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    telemark/ggieseke

    Do you have images for the bolt that you are able to share?
     
  5. BOBCAT

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    Hi,
    I just bought a 500GB BOLT at fry's as they had them on the Promo for $239.
    I have done a hard drive upgrade on my D* THR22 by just swapping out the 500GB for a 1TB drive and the THR22 does the rest.
    Will the BOLT do the same thing if I just install a 1TB into it?
    Thanks for the help.
     
  6. BOBCAT

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    Anyone??
     
  7. jmbach

    jmbach der Neuerer

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    Any drive up to 3TB the Bolt will autoformat correctly.


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  8. BOBCAT

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    Thank You Very Much for your response.
    Being a new BOLT owner, wasn't sure if I had to do a DD from the original drive to the new one then perform some sort of magic to expand the drive like I did on the HR10-250.
    Although I have D* TiVo's, thought that I would try a BOLT out as fry's had such a good deal on them.
    Will use it for OTH.
    I have an extra 1TB SSD that I'll use in it.
    I've been using a 1TB SSD in the THR22 for a year now with no problems at all.
    It saves me about 20 watts of power consumption witch is nice on a 24/7 running device.
     
  9. BOBCAT

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    Well... the BOLT is up and running with the Samsung 1TB ssd.
    Found the youtube demo on how to open it up to gain access to the drive.
    It would be so nice if D* would have TiVo build a DVR that had all of the features of the BOLT.
    If they did, they could just junk all of their non TiVo DVR's and just provide the TiVo's.
    Using the BOLT almost makes me want to dump D* and subscribe to Wave cable.
    Last summer, Wave put Fiber down our street, and offered a great deal to subscribe to their service.
    May just try them for a month or two to see if I like the quality of their service.
     
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    What advantage have you seen from using an SSD?
     
  11. BOBCAT

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    None really for the BOLT, but I used one in my THR22 which reduced the power consumption quite a bit.
    It has been running in the THR22 for a year now, with no issues at all.
    3 1/2" drives draw a lot of power and generate quite a bit of heat.

    I had an extra 1TB drive not being used, so installed it in the BOLT.
    So far, no problems at all.
    If I didn't have the ssd on hand, would have just picked up a 1TB WD drive for around $50 at fry's, don't need anything larger for my application.
     
  12. bitmap

    bitmap TiVotee since 1999

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    I pulled an image of my 500G Bolt, factory fresh before first boot, just after it downloaded the initial sw update and auto-rebooted, and again after it installed the update and I finally got to complete guided setup.

    I never connected antenna or cable, so nothing could have recorded to disk.
    All three are identical, bit for bit.

    My disk already had four power cycles before I ever booted the Bolt, and interestingly I find my unit's serial number at 0x00007815 from the start of the disk, so it must have been booted in the factory to format before shipping, and the unit "signed" the disk. Have previous models done that?
     
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  13. Donald Hoffman

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    Hi all,
    It's been a few years since I cloned my series 4 HD tivo and it worked. Now I have a Tivo Bolt OTA. I have been reading, watched video and not sure what's up.
    Will a new SSD need a backup from original hdd and restored to new ssd before it will work?
    Is the firmware in flash memory and I would only need to install new SSD?
    First I tried the software used to change hdd on old series 4 but wouldn't recognize drives.
    Second I tried DvrBars and made a backup.vhd, but when I tried to use the backup.vhd to restore I get "invalid apple partition map" and tried restoring anyway. but restored drive wouldn't boot.
    Third I tried MSFR 1003 with a no roamio or bolt drive found
    Fourth I tried MSFR 1004 same result
    Fifth I tried MSFR 1002 same result
    Somewhere in there I tried using a lunix boot disk which crashed laptop.
    Attempts made on windows 7 and 10
    Can anyone explain what I'm doing wrong
    Thanks in advance
    Don
     
  14. ggieseke

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    If the SSD is 3TB or less the Bolt will auto-format it. If it's larger you still need to install it and wait until it gets to the first screen in Guided Setup, then use MFSR to correctly reformat the drive. Note that Bolt OTA models can't run the old TE3 user interface, and TE4 rejects a lot of drives for unknown reasons.
     
  15. Donald Hoffman

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    for a 2tb ssd drive how long will that take? 9 hrs of starting up screen and never made it past that.
     
  16. jmbach

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    The self format takes less than 15 minutes. If you are 9 hours out, that drive is one that is not compatible with TE4.

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  17. Donald Hoffman

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    so the crucial ssd 2tb appears to be incompatible, and the samsung 850 evo ssd 1tb had the same results. Why ssd because I already had them. So I ordered a WD wd20spzx drive, basically same drive (wd white) but 2tb. Same result trying to get it to format, it only makes it to the starting up screen. Note that every time I try this tivo drops Netflix and amazon prime passwords along with disabling skip feature. Anyone have a part number for a compatible drive?
     
  18. DICK LOCKWOOD

    DICK LOCKWOOD New Member

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    Hi Donald: I got the same results too. Dropped Netflix and Prime passwords. Remotes no longer paired to TV and Sound boxes. Not to mention the deadly TIVO Starting Up frozen screen. Maddening!
    You and I pose such a simple question: What drive(s) work to upgrade TIVO Bolt (not OTA)?
    My question: Why doesn't phoning in to TIVO Help get a a viable HD Upgrade recommendation with specifics? Possibly the answer is there is no way! If so...they should say so. I jJust love their comment that the only external HD they allow is WD. However HD only makes/sells external HDs with USB connectivity. Not eSATA. Tivo Bolt only allows eSATA connected external drive.
     

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