Bolt hard drive upgrade

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by texasPI, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. gsutkin

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    mscopy finished and my new WD 10TB drive booted up without problem. here are images of the connections in the enclosure and to the bolt:

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  2. sbl2786

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    There's a lot to take in here.. Currently what are the reliable recommended 2tb and 3tb drives for the bolt+? Is there even a good 3tb or should I just go with 2tb? My drive failed tonight... I also don't want to modify anything I just want a simple replacement and a reliable one.
     
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  3. tommage1

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    If you are going to stick with a 2.5" drive I'd say you have 3 choices. First the 2.5 1TB WD Red Plus. Only 1TB but far as I know the only CURRENT model 2.5" CMR (not SMR) drive. Second would be the Toshiba 2TB MQ03ABB200. No longer being manufactured but can still find for a decent price (try goharddrive for an excellent deal, $50). Third would be the corresponding 3TB Toshiba, MQ03ABB300. Same thing, discontinued but can be found. However usually very expensive if you do find one (and would want new old stock, not used or refurb if possible). The 3 drives I list are CMR, will work in a Tivo. Almost any other 2.5" drive you can find above 1TB will be SMR, not good for Tivo. Some may work, at least for awhile, some may not work at all. Stick with CMR, for the Toshibas you need the EXACT model numbers, they make other 2.5 drives 2/3TB that are SMR, only slight difference in model number. CMR CMR CMR ;)

    Edit, IMO there is NO 2.5" drive that will be as reliable as a 3.5". But if you want the easiest route, 2.5" drop in, the 3 listed are your best choice, could/should last 3 years plus.
     
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  4. sbl2786

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    Thanks for the info

    If I go the external route of using a 3.5, I assume there's still recommendations drive wise? Also can that be easily replaced? Not referring to the process of installing it hardware wise but more so will the Tivo format and work without issue?
     
  5. tommage1

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    Well once you do the upgrade future replacement of drive would be easy, just replace in the enclosure. If you get a "good" drive (ie CMR, name brand) could last over 5 years. To make it easy I'll just say a WD purple, they are all CMR. Some depends on what OS you are running on Tivo, TE3 or TE4. If TE3 the Tivo will format up to a 3TB drive itself. Anything larger have to run some software (MFSTools or MRSR) to get full capacity, If TE4 the Tivo should format the whole drive itself. Other considerations, if you get over 3TB drive and are using TE4 so it formats entire drive itself you would not be able to "roll back" to TE3 and still have full capacity. Would again have to run some software. Pretty much 3TB and under can use either OS over time, over 3TB if you want to switch around OS in future would have to run some software, assuming you are starting with TE4 and let the Bolt format the drive fresh.

    The hardware part of the upgrade is not DIFFICULT but do have to get certain specific type parts like the enclosure itself, not any enclosure will do. I did a thread on it. And I think there is info in this thread also, I see pictures etc.
     
  6. gsutkin

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    Begs the question, what do I do with my used MQ03ABB300? It worked perfectly for 3 years (I just upgraded to an external 10 TB drive). I don't want to sell it - would gladly give it away to a good home, but I suspect no one would want a used drive).
     
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  7. tommage1

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    That is a very generous offer. I don't need one but the 3TB is tough to find. Even with 3 years on it I'm sure someone can use it ;)
     
  8. gsutkin

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    Good home = someone who will plug it in their own Bolt
     
  9. Sixto

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    Probably best to stick it in an external bay and try DriveDx or a SMART checker to see how good it really is first. It may be best to keep it around, just in case you ever need to trade-in or sell the Bolt, to put it back to factory specs.
     
  10. tommage1

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    Again a nice offer, I see Bolt "4 flashing lights" posts here on a regular basis. Some may not have the $50-100 needed to get a new drive at the moment. Might not hurt to run a diagnostic/SMART check on your Toshiba. Will show you how many actual hours on the drive (8760 hours in a year) and if any sectors have been remapped.
     
  11. milo99

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    Falls...
    WD 3.5" Red PLUS drives are CMR (WD##EFRX ... eg: WD30EFRX for 3tb)
    https://smile.amazon.com/Red-10TB-Internal-Hard-Drive/dp/B083JXTH5L

    i got what apparently was one of the last 2tb 2.5" WD20NPVZ on Amazon. Just had it delivered last night and put it in my Bolt. This is the listing, says currently out of stock but may want to check this listing out periodically to see if they get more. My actual drive was manufactured in Dec 2017 though, so it appears to be old stock that is still remaining.
     
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  12. ManeJon

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    Just checked your link and it says 2TB in stock
     
  13. tommage1

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    Yes, that is a CMR drive, 4 500GB platters. According to:

    The HDD Platter Capacity Database: HDD Platter Database - Western Digital - 2.5" (Scorpio/Blue/Black)

    Says it is a "Blue", must be a discontinued Blue. So another CMR 2.5 2TB drive that could be used in a Tivo if can be found :) I think there is a similar model 2.5 2TB WD drive that is CMR also. WD20NPVX, that one shows as a "Green". So there are other 2TB CMR drives that could be used in Tivo other than the Toshiba, same caveat, if you can find them ;)
     
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  14. tommage1

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    You sure you hit the right link? Shows out of stock for me. Must be listing for specific model WD20NPVZ, there are other 2TB Blues that are not CMR.
     
  15. tommage1

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    Ok, all this got my interest up so I went and checked for all WD 2.5" CMR drives, 2TB and up (3TB is max for CMR 2.5" drive) Here is what I found, all discontinued models of course. They did have a 1.5TB CMR 2.5" drive also. All these should work fine in a Tivo since CMR, if you can find them in new condition. Maybe I'll check Seagate and Toshiba sometime ;)

    WD 2.5" 2TB CMR drives.

    WD20NPVX Green

    WD20NPVZ Blue

    WD20NPVT Green

    WD20NMVW Not for Resale (could be USB only, not Sata0

    WD 2.5" 3TB CMR drives

    WD30NMVW Not for resale (could be USB only, not Sata)

    WD30NMZW Not for resale (could be USB only, not Sata)

    WD30NPVX Blue

    WD30NPRZ Blue

    WD30NPZZ Blue
     
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  16. gsutkin

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    As promised, here are the images from my external enclosure. Even without the IDE ribbon, it was a tight fit. I used great care to make sure there was no tension on the connection the the HD



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  17. gsutkin

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    And here is the bolt and the enclosure. I used the cardboard shimmies this time. Thanks Tommage1!

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  18. tommage1

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    That's really nice. Did such a good job I would not be surprised if some members want to send their Tivos to you for an upgrade!! Maybe put Weaknees out of business ;)

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  19. tommage1

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    Oh, you mentioned really tight fit. If you look at my picture you see I put the molex/Sata adapter wires on top of the drive. The enclosure cover is raised in that area so fits easily (I even have the IDE cable intact). That way don't have to squeeze the molex/Sata wires into the small area between the back of the drive and the back of the enclosure.
     
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  20. um3k

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    Just curious, I did a Bolt HDD replacement recently and was able to get away with plugging from the internal Bolt sata connector directly to the external case esata (using a WD 3TB purple inside). Was that because I’m running TE3 on the Bolt?
     

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