Bolt hard drive upgrade

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by texasPI, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. WVZR1

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    What brand/model of external enclosure?
     
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  3. WVZR1

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    You're avoiding answering the 'question'!!! What did you use! There's no generic answer for what you're claiming to use SATA from Bolt to eSATA of just any variety of enclosure.
     
  4. um3k

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    I’ve used a sata to esata cable from the internal port of the bolt running TE3 to the linked Rosewill enclosure. Not sure how I’ve “avoided the question”???
     
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    Just trying to figure out how I was lucky enough to avoid the “HDD / enclosure roulette” that others on the board are experiencing with Bolt drive replacements.
     
  6. tommage1

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    Well it's always best to go Sata to Sata. When using eSata it's going through electronics, possible different firmwares etc. Yeah, more likely to work with TE3 than TE4. But I suggest switching to Sata to Sata, avoid eSata. And if you use the Sabrent enclosure I recommend, the EXACT model, it will work. Cheap too, $25-30.
     
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  7. V7Goose

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    I do not think you "avoided" answering anything - you clearly gave a link to the enclosure you used. Thank you.

    As for why it worked for you - you just got lucky finding one of the very few eSATA enclosures that nasty customer-hating Bad_Rovi did not succeed in blocking. At least one other enclosure has been reported to work in the past since TiVo tried to block them all (perhaps it was even the same one you used?).

    For the first few years with the Bolts, all eSATA enclosures worked just fine, and then Bad_Rovi made software changes to break them all; that is why we now recommend to only go straight from SATA to SATA. Glad to hear you have one that is still working - I see no reason to change anything unless it stops working in the future.

    That case is kind of expensive, but may be worth it to avoid the additional hassles. The only downside might be that, in my opinion, eSATA is TERRIBLE technology with very unreliable connectors, so reliability can be a problem if the devices are moved even slightly; that problem is solved by using only direct SATA connections.

    Of course, if you avoid trying to use the eSATA connections, then it makes absolutely no difference what enclosure you use at all, so long as it has room for the necessary cables and you have a way to provide power to the drive. Even cases that do not have individual power connections for the drives are easily modified by anyone with a soldering iron (and that change generally solves any space problems too).
     
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    gsutkin

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    How does TiVo view our upgrading activities? I am sure I have violated every warranty, but these upgrades (most importantly the ability to use a 3.5inch drive in a Bolt) will keep me a satisfied TiVo customer for years.
     
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    V7Goose

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    Well, they can certainly see that you made the modifications if they wanted (lots of stats are reported back by your box), but they have never made an issue of it as long as the customer does not make a point of talking about it.

    They generally provide the same terrible customer service to modified boxes as they do for stock boxes.
     
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    WVZR1

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    Check this .pdf for 8TB WD80EFAX 7200RPM *9 FOOT NOTE.

    https://shop.westerndigital.com/too...uct-brief-western-digital-wd-red-plus-hdd.pdf

    I bought this from their store GF Sale
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    What would you expect they're going to tell me when I create an issue regarding it's use in a DVR? Nothing on the Foil Wrap DTD 3 DEC 2020 for build - I did WD diagnostics before MFSTools but never paid any attention to the label. The Roamio is in a rack and I didn't want to touch it until Wed/Thurs when I expand it.
     
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    tommage1

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    Ah, I've discussed that in other threads. Seems the 8TB and up Red Plus, Red Pros and the Purples may all be Ultrastar DC HC500 series drives. Check the R/N numbers to compare. They just use different firmwares and on some tone down (binning?) the RPM from 7200 to 5400. I would not worry about it myself. Would not bother discussing with WD, if you are planning on telling them you will be using in a non NAS device, ie Tivo. Again, while it's not GREAT since this is not a designed from scratch 5400 RPM drive it SHOULD be fine. If you had bought a Purple probably same drive, just with AV firmware. But at least they might provide some support since using an AV firmware drive in an AV device (ie Tivo).
     
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    WVZR1

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    I've finally received some parts. I've bought a 'Parts Only' black Bolt to see how I might modify it before doing mine for external. The Bolt hasn't arrived yet.
    The reason I asked about what 'specific' externals had been used was from mostly 'troubled fit' by many. I have the same Sabrent EC-UEIS7 that is displayed in this thread and others with none having direct connects that seemed to interest me. Something was always tweaked or appeared forced.
    I turned the fan 1/4 turn and turned the board over in mine and using using a 'LEFT' StarTech SATA POWER (SATAPOWADPL) and 'Low Profile' SilverStone (SST-CP11) SATA DATA the drive can be inserted in the enclosure with the HDD circuity facing the fan. The SST-CP11 I ordered is 300mm long and there's 500mm length also available. Mine will be cable direct SATA(Bolt) to SATA HDD in the enclosure w/grommet on the Bolt and also the enclosure. There will be no intermediate coupling/connection of any sort.
    There's another way to accomplish this I believe but the SATAPOWADP regardless of brand or L/R orientation doesn't allow correct HDD orientation to the fan.

    The SATA DATA I used is this: SilverStone CP11 INTRODUCTION

    The Startech: 6in LP4 to Left Angle SATA Adapter - Computer Power Cables - Internal

    The grommets came from a 'local' hardware store but this Hillman is identical: Grooved Rubber Grommet (3/8" Inner Dia. x 5/8" Outer Dia. x 1/4" Thick) | Sleeving/Bushings - Electrical | Electrical | Specialty | Fastening Solutions | Hillman US Site

    I'll do some snapshots and you can compare to those in this thread and other threads. Posts #150 & #161 and vicinity are of the same external housing I used.

    Grommet tray from my local:
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    It's nice. I especially like that Sata data cable, thin and looks very flexible. Nice you found a way to put the drive in with the fan facing the board. Though I think the other way is fine also, the fan is just a "bonus" most pre-bought externals don't even have a fan. Fan could help with 7200RPM drives though. The key to the whole thing is Sata to Sata and drive having it's own power. As far as the Bolt is concerned, since Sata to Sata same as internal drive. Even better, since no drive in the Bolt at all a bit less heat and less stress on the Bolt AC adapter. Should be good for many years. I would like to see pics of final product. Only thing I prefer is the intermediate coupling so can separate Bolt from enclosure easily. But rarely have to do that. And doubt could find a male/female Sata cable like the super thin one you are using ;)
     
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    WVZR1

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    I get the 'maybe doesn't matter' but I've friends that won't accept that as a justification!

    I believe that if this SATA DATA & POWER header were 'clearanced/trimmed' by maybe as little as .030" the SATAPOWADPL would clear and the HDD could be oriented correctly also. I nearly took the time with a sanding block to do that but I didn't have what I wanted right here in hand. I believe you'll get the idea though. I ain't a graphic guy that can do arrow etc!

    Sabrent Header.jpg

    Side skirts and the bezel aren't attached yet but there's the grommet etc. HDD right side up!

    Modified Enclosure.jpg
     
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    Hey, I get it, I like things to be as near perfect as possible. When totally done post the pics of the entire assembly. Might have to go into business selling these upgrades yourself ;)
     
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    WVZR1

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    I ain't interested but look at #3 snapshot in post #160. What interested me there was the HDD caddy sizing. I thought about mounting an exhaust fan to that HDD caddy connected/powered by the enclosure.

    I've been tossed a bit of a curve - my parts only purchase arrived today very late. It's spotless, I connected it, it's called home and it's an account closed device (no problem)/ (it can be reactivated) and it's TE4. ALL of TIVO+ seems to stream just fine from it complete w/guide. Is what I'm seeing there the same as the newer Streamer? It's gathered all the local info and it might be a shame to cannabalize it. It's a 1TB VOX with a Sept '17 build.
     
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    Well "I" can't offer any advice on that, I don't stream, I'm a DVR recording guy. I don't know what you mean by "newer Streamer" though, you mean an Edge? Or that Stream 4K thing? I thought all Bolts were pretty much the same, other than TE3 or TE4 being installed. Vox just means TE4 as stock OS? And black vs white in some cases.
     
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    WVZR1

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    If I had a Bolt only and wanted to do an external enclosure I'd look into probably a picoPSU and a MINIbox for an enclosure. You wouldn't spend substantially more $$$, Probably many available. A HIDEit for the Bolt and the MINIbox maybe VESA mounted on the back of a TV/Display. A picoPSU in your own creation! Power the various fans etc using the picoPSU.

    Look at the M350 and the various picoPSU from this vendor for ideas -

    Mini-Box.com - Mini-ITX | Motherboards | Power Supplies | Car PC
     
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  19. milo99

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    Question about putting in a formatted harddrive.

    So if i have a windows formatted drive and pop it in, will the bolt reformat it and be fine?

    Do i need to remove the partitions first?

    I have a dead 1tb bolt i got from someone. No lights or output from hdmi or anything, so I want to test out the drive, make sure it works ok and maybe sell the drive. Buy dont want to sell it without knowing it works.

    I dont know linux, but I do have an ooold tivo linux boot cd i could use i suppose. But have no idea how to test the drive if i were to use that pn my pc.

    edit: found this thread HOWTO: "Zero Write a Disk/Drive to Prepare/Repair it for Use in a TiVo Bolt or Other Device which explains a bit of what is need it looks like.
     
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  20. gsutkin

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    What hard drive clicks are normal and what clicks spell doom? I’ll post a link to a m4a file from my new WD100PURZ running in an enclosure, connected to a 4-tuner bolt. Over the fan you can hear soft, random clicks. The Bolt is working fine.

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