Bolt Hard Drive Upgrade Choice

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by GregMacMan, Sep 25, 2017.

  1. BobCamp1

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    Understood, but maybe the planets aligned in just the wrong way. Once every four years isn't bad if that is what caused the hiccup.
     
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    wyro

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    This is surely a dumb question, but i've spent an hour trying to figure it out... How did you connect the sata cable to the hard drive?
     
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    JoeKustra

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    It's not symmetrical. It only fits one way.
     
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    BobCamp1

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    V7Goose

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    You have to open the covers or modify BOTH devices - the Bolt and any external drive enclosure. The post you included in your question shows this exact thing!
     
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    fis

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    I just removed the cover from the Bolt and left it off (my Bolt is out of sight so who cares...). The original 2.5" hard drive can remain in place (in case you ever want/need to reconnect it). Just unplug the SATA cable connecting the 2.5" drive and plug in the SATA cable from the 3.5" drive.

    It's helpful to recognize that you only need two things to make this work:
    1) a SATA connection from the 3.5" drive to the Bolt, and
    2) a power source for the 3.5" drive (the enclosure is just one convenient way to get power to a hard drive).
     
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    aaronwt

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    My 4TB seagate drive has now been in use for four years in Bolts. Although the other 4TB drive I got crapped out after 2.5 years.
     
  8. edwinyuen

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    You don't HAVE to modify anything. There is enough room in many of the SATA enclosure (not the one pictures but other Rosewells) to fit the cable out when you screw the case down and I have the other end gapped in the top of my 2 Bolts, leaving the top screw off and sealing the gaps in the Bolt with some tape. It can be done easily with any cutting.
     
  9. V7Goose

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    Is there some reason you are incapable of understanding the word "or" in my response that you quoted?
     
  10. Heinrich

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    I've got 4 flashing lights. I realize it may be a power supply problem or hard drive. I believe hard drive as I had stuttering and pausing/freezing on recordings the weeks prior every so often. The external hard drive route seems pretty easy. HOWEVER if I understand properly, if I got a 2.5" laptop type SATA hard drive and a cloning station for $35 I could swap hard drives and essentially not lose recordings or cablecard pairing. Is it possible to clone the 2.5" to an external 3.5"? I realize I'm making an assumption that the hard drive in the Bolt+ now will actually be accessible when it may actually not be. I might remove it and check first, but, I'm still curious if I can clone 2.5"->3.5"
     
  11. Wigohwt

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    Of course, as long as the new drive is the same or greater size capacity.

    If the clone works, make sure you don't go back to an old, or blank drive, or you will lose your recordings. You can only go forward with a Bolt, and I suspect an Edge is this way as well.

    If you find your clone is buggy, then you may have to use kmttg or pyTivo to remove the unprotected recordings to your PC, and then reformat the drive for a fresh start, but one step at a time.

    Make sure you test your new HDD, like with WD Diagnostics, prior to use.
     
  12. Heinrich

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    Some very positive results. The Tivo was acting all weird for a couple months. I thought I had some home network flakiness - I have the Bolt+ on the third floor with ethernet throughout the house and most of what I watch is in the living room (first) or the sitting room off master bedroom (second.) I occasionally have DNS conflicts and such ... and I thought I had a networking problem I could not figure out.

    Then when watching MLS playoffs off the Bolt+ directly, the entire Bolt+ turned off and wouldn't turn on without some prodding and general sweet talk. That was a few weeks ago. It did come back up ... and was stable until this morning. 4 flashing lights.

    So after reading many posts and threads I grabbed a discarded 3.5" WD Red 3TB and used EaseUS Disc Copy 3.5 to do a sector-by sector copy. I wasn't sure what to expect since Windows said the drive essentially was not partitioned so I couldn't do much with it. The program cost me $20. There are free ones but I didn't feel like making a Linux boot and all that hassle. I am on vacation at home and just wanted it to be fixed now so I could keep cuddling with my boyfriend, watching soccer, playing Fifa 20, and farting on the sofa.

    Western Digital diagnostics told me I had 1 reallocated sector. I was a little skeptical because I can't imagine that 1 sector would make the thing so flaky. But I plugged the 3.5" WD Red directly into the connectors on the motherboard that already exist for the 2.5". The Tivo booted up, all recordings intact, and cable pairing - and it started recording AHS 1984 immediately - and the recording is good. The unit is far more responsive moving through menus than it has been (which I didn't really notice as an issue other than the freezing times.)

    Anyway, I leave this level of detail out there to help someone in the future.

    What I don't know is, if this 3.5" is taxing the power supply. I may look for a 3.5" external enclosure with SATA connectors. most I have seen have USB and/or eSATA. It's pretty ugly with the top off...
     
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  13. UCLABB

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    I run my external off its own power supply. This allows you to close up the TiVo case. You need a power supply and a molex to sata adapter. I’ve seen kits sold on line. Or of course you can also use an enclosure with sata to sata connection. I just have had some bad luck with enclosures messing things up.
     
  14. pl1

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    I'm using this unit for $25 on Amazon with an SATA to Molex with an SATA Device Cable Straight to Left Angle.
     
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    jby114

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    2.5 in. drives drives aren't too reliable, they also don't have too much capacity. I say 3.5 in. is the only way to go(Western Digital is the only brand to use.). You will need an external power supply of course. Also while your at it the bolt runs awfully hot with it's lid on. I would guess heat is a major cause of early death especially in Bolts and Roamios

    I took the cover off my bolt and put the whole thing including 500g hard drive in a small computer case, with a 3.5 in WD 8tb purple drive. I bought a 55 watt atx power supply on Ebay for $15 to power the drive and an 80 mm fan that came with the case. The odt of the bolt is between 35 and 39, and I have 1283 hrs of recording time.

    I used Msfr to expand the 8tb drive, which was super easy.
     
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    Mikeguy

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    We look forward to seeing you in 2030.
     
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    BobCamp1

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    2.5" drives are very reliable, just not PMR drives over 2 TB in size. And no hard drive likes to be jostled around, but only 2.5" drives are used in laptops.

    Also, WD is the second worst hard drive mfr. in reliability, followed only by Seagate. Unfortunately they are the top two in sales volume, mainly due to cost.

    So if Bolt users want over 2 TB in size I'd recommend they don't do that. Get a 500 GB or 1 TB hard drive then transfer the shows to a PC hard drive which can be SMR and 8 TB if you want.

    The alternate solution is to get a 3.5" drive made by somebody other than WD or Seagate.
     
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    anadelman

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    What's the purpose of the SATA to Molex cable? Does the enclosure have a Molex connection inside?
     
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    A J Ricaud

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    I'm curious. Besides Toshiba, what other manufacturers are out there and which do you recommend?
     
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    aaronwt

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    I can't say that I've had many issues with the hundreds of WD and Seagate drives I've used over the last fifteen years.

    I used to use mostly WD platter drives, but now most of the platter drives I use are Seagate. I currently have over fifty Seagate platter drives in use. And around a dozen WD platter drives in use..
     

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