Bolt and Mini setup help

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  1. Mar 11, 2017 #81 of 148
    krkaufman

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    Great to hear. Did you get the XBOX wired, as well?

    As followup, if/when you have the time, I'd be interested to hear how you set this up relative to the last suggested diagram (i.e. any variances at A,B,C?), which I believe was the "in-room antenna" option from post #36 -- and how your modem now feels about the changes. (I'm curious to see where the modem's signal levels are, now, and what the cable signal's passing through to get to the modem.)

    Lastly, now that MoCA's up, you can check your Mini's network status to review & document its MoCA connection quality. See >this post< for more info.

    edit: p.s. Thanks for the feedback. Good to hear how things work out.
     
  2. Mar 11, 2017 #82 of 148
    hoopster3

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    Everything went just like you said...almost. The part that threw me off was realizing that I didn't want my powered antenna in the basement. Luckily the previous owners had DirecTV coaxial cables run into the master bedroom on the 2nd floor. I ended up finding that coaxial connection and mounting a powered antenna upstairs on the highest part of a wall in the bedroom.

    Unfortunately, it netted me a slight boost in antenna reception...but no more channels. Currently I'm only picking up 4 channels. I even took back the antenna and got a powered one with 65 mile range and still pickup as many channels as I did with an antenna in the basement. I know my neighbors are getting 60+ channels. I'll have to figure this out as it's why I went with the Bolt so I could get 4k and record OTA shows. Otherwise I would have gotten the box with a lifetime subscription or stuck with DirecTV. I don't have the skills or tools needed to mount a rooftop antenna. Here is the antenna I got: TERK - Ultrathin Indoor Amplified HDTV Antenna - Black/White

    Let me know if something else would be better?

    As far as the connection on the mini goes I'm getting a PHY rate of 274. The Xbox is also benefiting from the direct ethernet connection to the Bolt.

    I should see a slight increase today when I install both of the 2 way MoCA splitters are swapped out with the 3 way splitters I have hooked up now, with one port unused and uncapped on each. They just arrived today.
     
  3. Mar 11, 2017 #83 of 148
    hoopster3

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    I'll post modem readings later tonight once everything is properly installed and everyone in the house is off the network.
     
  4. Mar 11, 2017 #84 of 148
    krkaufman

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    You may want to check your Mini's MoCA stats again before the splitter swap, as your PHY rates are pretty much maxed, so any benefits will likely be seen as a change in the RX/TX power estimates (i.e. the power used by the adapter's to maintain the targeted PHY rates).
     
  5. Mar 11, 2017 #85 of 148
    krkaufman

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    I'd only point you back to the sites linked in post #4, to see what they report as the type of antenna that would be required to tune the channels available.

    What's your zip?
     
  6. Mar 11, 2017 #86 of 148
    hoopster3

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    Zip is 52807
     
  7. Mar 11, 2017 #87 of 148
    krkaufman

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    TiVo has a 30-day money back guarantee.
     
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    hoopster3

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    I ran those tests. I'm looking for at least ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox. Those all should be attainable with the antenna I have. Right now I only get CBS, which is 4 miles away. I should be reaching the 19 miles it takes to get those others.
     
  10. Mar 11, 2017 #90 of 148
    mdavej

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    Those small flat antennas work about as well as rabbit ears. A larger attic antenna will work much better. I have a GE that performs at least twice as well as my leaf. Pretty easy to mount in the attic.
     
  11. Mar 12, 2017 #91 of 148
    hoopster3

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    Ran a test on my Mini to check the PHY rate again. After putting the two way splitters on it's running at 280 PHY now. The total power usage went from -25 to -24 as well.

    Still having problems getting a signal with an antenna. I'm on my 3rd antenna now. This one is the most expensive and has gotten the worst results. The signal is so bad now that I can't even pick up a single channel. Here is the one I went with and pointed it directly SE from the 2nd floor of my house point out a window: Antennas Direct - ClearStream 2V Long-Range HDTV Antenna - Black/Silver

    Also had a weird thing going on with my internet cutting in and out while trying to stream from anywhere on both Tivo's. I narrowed the problem to the Ethernet cord running from the Bolt to the Xbox. Once I unhooked it, everything worked flawlessly. Any idea why that would be?
     
  12. Mar 12, 2017 #92 of 148
    hoopster3

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    Also, here are the latest readings from my modem after everything has been installed:

    Downstream Channel Bonding Value
    Index
    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
    Lock Status Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked
    Frequency 153 MHz 117 MHz 123 MHz 129 MHz 147 MHz 111 MHz 159 MHz 165 MHz 171 MHz 177 MHz 183 MHz 189 MHz 195 MHz 201 MHz 207 MHz 213 MHz
    SNR 35.3 dB 35.4 dB 35.4 dB 35.4 dB 35.2 dB 35.6 dB 35.4 dB 35.4 dB 35.5 dB 36.0 dB 35.5 dB 35.8 dB 35.8 dB 36.0 dB 35.6 dB 34.9 dB
    Power -4.3 dBmV -4.1 dBmV -4.1 dBmV -4.0 dBmV -4.4 dBmV -3.6 dBmV -3.9 dBmV -3.3 dBmV -3.2 dBmV -3.0 dBmV -3.1 dBmV -3.2 dBmV -3.2 dBmV -3.3 dBmV -3.8 dBmV -4.2 dBmV
    Modulation 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM
     
  13. Mar 12, 2017 #93 of 148
    hoopster3

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    krkaufman

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    No, that is unexpected. And most unfortunate.
     
  16. Mar 12, 2017 #96 of 148
    krkaufman

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    Looks good (w/in spec), slightly better than the pre-mod splitter test, about as expected.
     
  17. Mar 12, 2017 #97 of 148
    krkaufman

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    Do you have the ability to connect a tuning device (TV, BOLT) directly to the antenna in this upstairs bedroom, to eliminate the connecting coax line as a factor in your reception?
     
  18. Mar 12, 2017 #98 of 148
    hoopster3

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    I do have an extra unused TV I could try that with. Good thought!
     
  19. Mar 12, 2017 #99 of 148
    krkaufman

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    What MoCA setup option did you choose when you configured the BOLT for its MoCA connection?
     
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    We're gonna scope creep a little here perhaps.

    You might want to connect the antenna directly to the bolt without the diplexer to see if there is any improvement in your reception.

    Depending on the OTA channels you are receiving, there could be signal overlap between your OTA and MoCa/cable signals. Diplexers are mainly used to combine higher frequency satellite signals with lower frequency OTA signals. You are potentially combining similar signals. Also just because you get internet only from your cable provider, does not mean that you are not getting the signals from the other cable channels as well. You might not see them because you need a cableCARD to decrypt them. In fact, you might even have some unencrypted channels tagging along as well that you do not know about.

    So if you connect the Bolt directly to the antenna, turn MoCa off on the Bolt, and you start getting the channels you are looking for, then you will need another MoCa adapter at the Bolt to connect the Bolt to the network.
     
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