blue circles are back

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by tivoknucklehead, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    I'm not sure (never worth it to me to really test this), but I have seen messages in the past where the box specifically said no further recordings would be made. It is generally believed that the ONLY thing you can use with a box that has not phoned home after all guide data is gone is to watch already recorded programs.
     
  2. Intheswamp

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    Wow. So basically useless for watching OTA content without an Internet connection. For a unit that costs this much and with the focus of OTA reception and cord-cutting it seems that it would have a fail-safe mode for OTA reception. Even the Channel Master Stream+ is relying on an online guide (Google Live?) for it's guide, though I don't know what would happen with it if the guide "isn't there". The archaic PSIP/EPG that the lowly Insignia and iView type of boxes use actually seem to be the best "post Armageddon"<grin> guide that keeps the tuners/receivers working. Ah well, I hope nobody decides to kill the spider and tear the web down!!!!

    ETA: But, I guess those low-end boxes don't really require a guide to receive OTA/
     
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  3. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    OK, I finally did a real test of this (what can be done with no guide data). I pulled an old Series3 out of the shop and powered it up without any network connection. I can watch live TV just fine, but any attempt to set up a time/channel manual recording just results in a message that "Program info has run out! Connect to the TiVo service." If I hit the record button while watching live TV, it tells me "TiVo service interrupted".

    So at least with an old S3, I can confirm that that it can be used only to watch already recorded shows or Live TV.
     
  4. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    Manual recordings work. Try one to see what it looks like. But a manual recording will have a name if there is guide data, so it's not a good test unless you have a channel with "no information" in the guide. I have been having mixed results on Hydra with manual recordings, like losing the channel and/or title. Lack of guide data doesn't make it a brick. You will start getting M59 errors even without any 1P. Something buggy there too.

    This morning I made a manual recording without guide data (on cable). I do one every day as a test. On Hydra. The channel is not in my guide but found by a channel scan.
     
  5. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    They may work with a Roamio or newer box - I do not know (I am not going to leave one of my Bolts disconnected for two weeks to find out). But I can absolutely say that as of this morning, they do NOT work with an OTA Series 3.

    A channel not being in the Guide is NOT the same as a box that has NO Guide information for ANY channel. Your post does not make it clear if you have done this test with a box where ALL guide data has expired or not.
     
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  6. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    It's possible that there are different time windows at play... the first being simple loss of programming data, and the other being a sufficiently long break from connection to the TiVo service that the box's TiVo service status becomes invalid, even if the box officially has Lifetime service.

    How long had the S3 been offline?
     
  7. V7Goose

    V7Goose OTA ONLY and Loving It!

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    This one is Lifetime, but has been unplugged for about 3-6 months.
     
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  8. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    Seems that TiVo Online is very slow also. Very slow.
     
  9. Intheswamp

    Intheswamp Active Member

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    Things seem to be back working fine again. Thanks ya'll for checking out the use of the tuner without guide data...I feel better about it. :)
     
  10. tivoknucklehead

    tivoknucklehead Well-Known Member

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    today out of nowhere on my premiere in onepass manager even after a reboot
     
  11. ohboy710

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    As of about two days ago, everything is super slow now. Blue circles are back, even after a reboot.
     
  12. tim_m

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    No problem here. Haven't seen any bad lag or blue circles in quite some time.
     
  13. Pete716

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    I'm glad this thread was here. I had the spinning blue circle on a mini this morning, rebooted it a few times with no change.

    It was a bit of overkill, but I unplugged both bolt's, both mini's, my cable modem, gateway and ethernet switches - all in one big swoop, and everything is working again.

    Hopefully it doesn't happen again, but if so - I'll try to pinpoint if one of these is enough rather than everything.
     
  14. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

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    Only a few reports this time so might have been something local (or regional). Haven't seen any issues here like Tim_m (VA and Comcast).

    Scott
     
  15. Furmaniac

    Furmaniac Active Member

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    I get BSCs on my Roamio pro. Some clear up, some require a long wait, some require a reboot. I think its because I have over 100 long, complicated Wishlists.
    So i live with the BSCs. Once when I deleted loads of WLs, the BSCs went away. I love WLs so I live with the BSCs.
     
  16. just4tivo

    just4tivo Active Member

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    BSCs all day long today... anyone else?
     
  17. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    No, but I have seen other internet slowness. Maybe NK or Russia is messing with us. Practice?
     
  18. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    You forgot China. ;)
     
  19. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

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    No I didn't. Same for Iran. :D
     
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  20. tommiet

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    "Rocket Man" surfing Netflix.....
     

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