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Big Game Sunday & IFTTT tests

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TiVo_Ted, Jan 31, 2018.

  1. Jan 31, 2018 #1 of 270
    TiVo_Ted

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    Hey all,

    I wanted to give you all a heads-up about a couple of experiments we're working on for this Sunday's big game. We don't usually tag commercial breaks in sporting events, because sporting events are mostly watched live, and many of them are regional by nature.

    That said, everyone knows that this Sunday's commercials are some of the best, highest quality commercials of the year. So, we're going to tag the game backwards, with the commercials and the halftime show marked as if it were the program, and the game marked as if it was the commercial.

    As usual, the SKIP function will not show up until after the game has finished. But, once the green SKIP icon shows up next to your recording of the game, you can watch the recording and use the SKIP or D button to jump to the commercial segments quickly. Padding the game with extra time at the end of the recording should not be a problem either. We'll keep tagging until the game is done.

    This "GameSkip" functionality should work for all TiVo boxes that have SKIP enabled today. However, there are a few things that could go wrong. We use closed-captioning data as a guide to lineup our commercial tag markers with the program. This works great for regular shows, but not all commercials have closed-captioning. Similarly, if there are lots of local/regional commercials that air during the game, that could screw things up as well. If you record the game from NBC and your local station doesn't do anything fancy, we think (fingers crossed) it should work for everyone.

    As an added bonus, we're starting to go live with support for IFTTT. IFTTT is an acronym that stands for "if this, then that". They are a free service that provides connections between tons of consumer electronics device and Internet services. We have pre-programmed a few example "Applets" on IFTTT to help you get started. One of them allows you to have IFTTT send a button command to your TiVo box whenever a commercial break is detected. Once you have enabled this Applet, it will send the SKIP / D button to your box every time a commercial airs. Or, when combined with our Big Game experiment, you can use it to watch the game afterwards, and IFTTT will jump you from commercial break to commercial break automatically, stopping only to include the half-time show. If you have a Roamio or BOLT device running TiVo Experience 3 or TiVo Experience 4 (aka Hydra), you will receive a TiVo message and an invite to join IFTTT. These messages will start to go out in the next day or two, along with an App on your TiVo box that gives you a code to pair your TiVo account with your IFTTT account.

    For auto-skip to work, you need to be running TiVo Experience 4. We will be enabling IFTTT for all devices running TE4. We are working to support IFTTT on TiVo Experience 3 with all other features, but there are still a lot more boxes running TE3, and we won't be able to activate them all on IFTTT this week, probably only 100,000 or so. The remainder of the boxes will be enabled in waves over the next couple of weeks.

    We will have example IFTTT Applets that show you how to trigger the find-my-remote button using your voice from a Google Assistant or Amazon Alexa powered device. We are also working to create a TiVo Skip command so that you can tell your Google or Amazon device to send the skip button command. I'll weigh in with more details in the coming days, but I wanted to make sure you all heard it here first!

    This is just the beginning of us enabling the smart home services that we showed at the Consumer Electronics Show earlier this month. We have lots more coming, and also plan to bring these features back to Premiere customers running TiVo Experience 3 as well. Stay tuned.

    -Ted
     
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  2. Jan 31, 2018 #2 of 270
    krkaufman

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    Ugh, had my hopes up, briefly.

    It seems peculiar that this one, killer feature is restricted to Hydra/gen4.
     
  3. Jan 31, 2018 #3 of 270
    mrizzo80

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    After we signup for the necessary services, what will be required for auto-skip to work? Does the app on the TiVo constantly listen for commercials and then forward the request to IFTTT which then sends the command back to TiVo to initiate the SKIP button?
     
  4. Jan 31, 2018 #4 of 270
    humbb

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    And it appears that this killer feature strongly resembles kmttg's AutoSkip feature which works with gen3. If, in fact, TiVo will now be tagging the end of program segments in addition to the beginning, this will greatly improve kmttg's version which currently has to do some intelligent guessing on segment end tags (if I'm correctly recalling how that operates). I confidently hope that kmttg will be updated to take advantage of this new information, if available. :)
     
  5. Jan 31, 2018 #5 of 270
    TiVo_Ted

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    Only initially. It requires us to back-port a database change. I'm working with the product team on a plan to support this in the near future.
     
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  6. Jan 31, 2018 #6 of 270
    Noelmel

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    This is like my dream I can't stand football and don't want to see one second of the game. Only record for commercials and halftime lol. It would be better if skip worked in real time because I probably won't wait until its totally over to start watching. The auto skip sounds awesome as well! Thanks for the updates!
     
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  7. Jan 31, 2018 #7 of 270
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    The app on the TiVo only does one thing - it helps you link your accounts. From that point on, the TiVo box talks and listens to the TiVo service. The TiVo service then talks and listens to IFTTT. In the case of Auto-Skip, the box just alerts the service (and then IFTTT) that a commercial break has occurred. Then, an Applet on IFTTT decides what to do. The Applet could open your garage door or set off a siren for all we know. In this case, the Applet sends a button press back to your TiVo box. You can choose any button, but the "D" button sends the skip command. The round-trip takes about 4 seconds.
     
  8. Jan 31, 2018 #8 of 270
    krkaufman

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    I'd prefer user profiles and associated personalization, even if only through a mobile app UI, but this all sounds interesting and could be fun, and (nearly) any innovation is better than none.

    Hope the NFL experiment works out, though having both start & stop markers for commercial breaks would be a boon across the board.
     
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  9. Jan 31, 2018 #9 of 270
    mjthor1

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    Stupid question.....

    When I go to IFTTT to activate, it asks me:

    Enter the activation code from your TiVo device.

    Where is this?
     
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  10. Jan 31, 2018 #10 of 270
    krkaufman

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    What happens if the user presses the "D" button on their remote during that 4-second window, before the IFTTT button press arrives?
     
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  12. Jan 31, 2018 #12 of 270
    krkaufman

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    From @TiVo_Ted's OP:
     
  13. Jan 31, 2018 #13 of 270
    mjthor1

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    OK thank you.
     
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  14. Jan 31, 2018 #14 of 270
    jcrandall

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    I've never used any ITTT technology, but auto-skip would be a great feature for watching regular prime-time TV off DVR. Is there any equipment needed or anything, or will everything just be running an app on the Tivo (basically turning it on)?
     
  15. Jan 31, 2018 #15 of 270
    TiVo_Ted

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    You will get the activation code from the IFTTT app on your TiVo box. This app will be released in the next day or two for Experience 4 customers and phased out to the Experience 3 customers over the coming weeks.
     
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  16. Jan 31, 2018 #16 of 270
    TiVo_Ted

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    The "App" that does this actually runs in the cloud. But, yes it is a set-it and forget-it thing once you enable it on IFTTT.
     
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  17. Jan 31, 2018 #17 of 270
    jcrandall

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    Sweet - Thanks Ted!

    One more quick question - will the option be available for Mini's as well (or just work automatically if it is set on the Roamio/Bolt)?

    Great feature addition! Off topic question - any chance of skip mode tagging for big sports events like Olympics or National Championship games on network TV? Only think to ask since the super bowl is getting special treatment...
     
  18. Jan 31, 2018 #18 of 270
    TiVo_Ted

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    I just had to re-edit my original post here. I have been informed that we still have so many boxes running TiVo Experience 3 that we will need to enable boxes to run IFTTT in waves. We should have about 100,000 boxes enabled this week, and we can do 20k-50k boxes every day or two starting next week. That means it will take us 2-3 weeks to get IFTTT turned on for everyone. Apparently we've increased the rate at which we communicate between the device & service to 250 milliseconds, and we need to be careful not to go too fast.
     
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  19. Jan 31, 2018 #19 of 270
    TiVo_Ted

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    MINI's should be included automatically, unless the only DVR is a Premiere. We're still working on that.
     
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  20. Jan 31, 2018 #20 of 270
    krkaufman

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    Oh, OK; thanks for the efforts, and the feedback, @TiVo_Ted.

    I'm curious, is there any sort of audio clips hidden away in our TiVos that could be combined with a remote command to act as notifications/alarms? Ditto visual dialogs?
     

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